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The rabid DA-hate was getting a bit much. Oh, and this is kinda offtopic, but... I've sent three PMs to various mods and not heard a peep back, which strikes me as a bit odd, considering the long comment trees I've gotten into. Is there some sort of modly PM silence, or am I just being stupid and paranoid?
we're all a bit hung up at the moment, we're trying to set up sheezy properly so we can do our jobs instead of dealing with trolls and art theft and harassment etc.
Yeah, I've seen so many anti-deviantART pics in SheezyArt that this is one of the reasons why I feel a bit uneasy being here. Sure, I don't like deviantART myself much, but I don't go on posting such pictures of hate like these... That's way too extreme, and I don't hate deviantART that way too much... There are some aspects that I do like about deviantART, too. That's why I'm still remain as a deviantART member. I join SheezyArt, too, because I want to make even more friends with other SheezyArt members, and to get some more exposure with my art.
Well, I for one think it's a good thing. At least it'll keep more 'OMFG U SUK' people from DeviantArt from being drawn over here. I'm not saying they're an example of the general attitude of DeviantArt. Just that they exist.
i understand getting rid of the dA slanderous stuff, thats completely reasonable, but i personally dont trust dA, and think that they have gotten a little out of hand. if i was to give my two cents, it would be to avoid them alltogether when it comes to online art communities. :x but thats me. i dont trust them, and it seems like most people on here dont trust them either, and alot of them have very good reasons to. yeah. *takes soapbox away* :x
I don't condone the hate images and all against DA either. Though, I agree with Misuka. I personally don't like DA because of how comercalized it has gotten, everyone has a race for getting on the front page. But anyhow, I don't think that is DAs fault so to say, but more of the people there who are very rude and outright hateful. I don't know too much about the Admin, because I never had any reason to PM them. Only except for a very very rude person who was a subscriber and flamed me. DA seems to take favortism with subscribers, I never got a PM back and nothing was done against the person that literally harassed me and others. I just wouldn't like to get involved with them again, it's much more preferable. But I don't think I would leave SA like I left DA, if we had an 'alliance' with them so to speak, as they can't really tell SA what to do, but if it brings an influx of jerks, well then... I guess I'd have to leave like I did because of DA. =/ Anyhow that's my two cents.
Ja'ne!
It's weird..I am a subscriber and never heard word one back from any admin I've pmed about a complaint. They really don't treat their subscribers that much better ^^;
Deviantart reminds me of Wizards of the Coast..they were awesome when they were smaller and weren't so out of touch with the masses. Perhaps they need more site helpers and mods..
I'm not sure, I wish they would have cracked down on the harassment like they were supposed to. Though I noticed they don't, maybe they are understaffed I'm not sure.
They can't limit the amount of users but they've been very self engrossed on making DA more profitable, hence the bannerads and now it's commercial. I hope they don't forget about the artists on the site..I do like DA and it would be a shame if they became too corperate.
Very true. Though that was one of the reasons why I left, I was afraid that it may come like that. And well, I posted my opinion on the ads, and I got flamed really badly by a netspeaking subscriber. >_>;
if you didn't use the helpdesk (it doesn't look like you did), it is likely that you never got a response. the helpdesk is a ticketed system so any request to it is noted and assigned, whereas PMing or noting an admin might get lost.
I don't see where any sort of relation between DA and SA could exist. It's not like we can enlighten them that they're both sites to help artists become known. They consider everyone on this site the scum of the Earth and the DA rejects.
Not that SA should become a self-enclosed community and pretend to be the elite, much the way some other sites have.
Really? I'm part of DA and I don't consider anyone here DA rejects or scum... most people don't as far as I've seen. But, I don't see what good could come from SA linking up with DA either... there are many other art sites that would have a mutual benefit, but all I could see the linking of this and them doing is cause problems.
I didn't think anyone had a problem with SA whatsoever. Then my friend says that I should check out the DA forum. I spent a coupla minutes and read through most of their uneducated bashings. Saying stuff like "Oh that site is crap, they don't even have forums"--even though they must have really honestly just heard it from someone else and didn't check to see that they were already up.
Just you're typical, "What a ripoff, good riddence to the artist who go there..." type of mentality.
All in all, I enjoyed some of the things said, "and after what I read what many other people said on this board, I'm quite disgusted by this place, and thinking about moving to SA myself." Meh, but I've always firmly believe that there's nothing more dangerous than a crowd full of stupid people. Why change that now?
Wow, I read through a decent bit of it... pretty sad to be honest. But, I can't take it too seriously. I think DA was a place made for everyone to be tense, anal, and angry. What else can be said of a place that's name has "deviant" in the title and it's page generator is called the "collective rectum." So I just kind of let the negativity of their slide off.
unfortunately since deviantART is such a large site it is hard to recognize the thoughts of the administration from the thoughts of the general masses.
many people on deviantART are fiercely 'loyal' to the website. others are simply artists trying to expand their horizons of audience. others hate deviantART and insist it stands for all that is evil in the capitalist world.
deviantART isn't the ONLY art website online. sheezyart may be more suited for certain artists and authors.
just please be sure not to let the thoughts of a few deviants seem like the thinking of the entire site.
Personally I didn't see the anti-DA statements as too awful, but I can see the reasons for not allowing them.. I think DA has a generally biased attitude towards everything, though... But the admins are only human. SA really seems to be a popular spinoff for people that are ignored and/or badmouthed on DA because of what they draw, so I don't know how well either community will take to their partnership. I wouldn't want to see SA filling up with the same kind of people that make DA miserable. Right now it's growing by word of mouth and it'd be nice if it would keep small and with those people who get along. Which is, in a way, another good reason not to have anti-DA things... it'd be great if we could have a less hostile community than DA or other art sites I've been on, but the bigger we get, the worse it will be, especially if we attract the offending people from other communities. But that's just my opinion...
Yeah, people on DA can be rude so that's why I don't post certain things there, but that's no reason to bash it. People here seem pretty tolerant and respectful of each other, so let's keep it that way. :)
Thank you very much for that, the anti-DA sentiments were really starting to bother me. I don't think they really find it necessary, so it should be ok...
(It's like an internet hate crime, or something).
I've been waiting for something like this to be posted, the main reason that I've sort of been avoiding to browse this site is because I simply can't stand the anti-DA people (and the Sonic porn, but that's another story.) Anyway, thank you. Thank you so much for bothering to do something about it.
i think ceasing the hate art is just fine. but i agree with misuka and several others. deviantart does not need to be given any more of a tapdance of respect than they have already. the admins there are, in a word, unfair- which is why many of us came here. their TOS is, in a word, unclear- another reason we came here. their ad choices are, in a word, hypocritical- yet another reason.
while i understand sheezy needs to get off the ground, i think partnerships with websites besides DA would be more to the liking of just about everyone here.
also i don't know if the admins are in another country, but i don't think it's illegal in the states to post things like that flash video (maybe it falls under libel. not sure.) because copyright laws say it's just fine to make use of something for parody and satire. but i'm not sure if it's the legal standpoint that'd being held, or the moral.
i think in order for us to stop grumbling about DA, DA needs to encourage THEIR users not to grumble about sheezy. i'm not saying they should go first- i'm just saying that if the olive branch is extended and not accepted or ignored, i see no reason to continue extending it. right now it appears the DA admins are blissfully allowing the hate towards sheezy to continue on their website.
it's old fashioned and bull-headed of me, but since i haven't posted art relating to it or gone trolling the forums with it, i think i'm justified to say this - i'll stop hating DA when they start respecting artists.
"I'll stop hating DA when they start respecting artists."
That statement is VERY justified. Just wanted to let you know that I agree pretty much wholeheartedly with everything you have said. I've never had a DA account, nor will I ever sign up for one, due to the way the admins (and top artists who shall remain nameless) have treated friends of mine. They are completely unprofessional and actually go so far as to pick fights with their users. x__x
Sorry for being a bit random, but yay, good comment :);
DA being an incorporation could sue sheezyArt over it's hosting of violently anti-DA submissions, they have the legal right and backing to do so, but they won't because they don't see it as any particular threat that will kill them dead tomorrow and really, they've got better things to get on with. I support this stance to disallow anti-DA art.
There's the people that'll say they will murder you because of something you've done - and then there's the people that actually pull the trigger. The first is human nature, the latter is evil. There is nothing in-between.
The sheezy legal statement has a lot of legal issues that would not hold ground with a lawyer, I'm running it past a trainee lawyer friend to see what he thinks.
no, they cant, cause its freedom of speech. why do you think you can slander presidental campaigns so? you can slander companies as well. they could take them to court, but it wouldnt hold up there.
Well, firstly, this isn't slander. Most of what is said about and against DA is true. Secondly, the laws regarding copyright, etc online would probly be related to the location of the server, so international crap doesn't matter.
Anyway, I think if SA wants to forge a relationship with DA, it's their choice. But it won't happen, and it is opression of free speech.
I think a lot of people here don't understand that dA is a commercial website that helps promote artist on a professional level. And I'd imagine that half the people who fled here aren't exactly the innocent users on dA.
In a sense dA is the parent where as Sheezy is the child. You're going to see that kinda of rebelluous attitude and the only way to stop it is to punish both sides. Of course dA isn't exactly going to care because it has thousands of users. If they had a mod for everyone, then maybe they might throw in their two cents.
On a different level, a lot of people need to grow the hell up and the pros and cons of both sites and how to enjoy them mutually. None of this "He Hates-She Hates" bullshit.
I haven't had problems with DA personally, just seen various things happen there that made me sick to my stomach, i have a subscription there, and when i see soemthing that doesn't sit well with me, i bring it up to the powers that be there...
i think that is very succinctly put; deviantART is operating on a professional and less amatuer level, and some users only want an amatuer level (which is their right of choice). i don't think that sheezyart is by any means amatuer (it takes a lot of work to maintain any sort of a diversified website), however the ideals of each site are probably different.
Agreed. I find the amateur level to be more accomodating and personable. I actually *like* how the site goes down for repairs or switches and whatever because it's nice to know that something isn't indesctructable. ^^ Just kinda more earthy and likable, really~ I've always been one to like a smaller crowd as well. I'm not anti-DA or anything; I post my art on communities like this to try to gain recognition in the online art world and to get my message out as an artist and to get people's opinions and such on my work. I wasslightly offended after reading that forum post regarding the generalizations that "all SA artists suck and only draw porn and are all DA rejects" because hey look, we actually have a lot of decent artists here and ones who are known on DA as well. I say we shouldn't really bother too much with the DA elitists over there and just work on this site peacefully and not become elitists ourselves.
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