As this is the beginning of the new year, we would like to give all of our users a status report on the state of Sheezy Art and future plans.
Since our opening of Sheezy Art in early 2004, we have had over 23,000 registered users, 200,000 submitted pieces of artwork, and over 50 million page impressions. From starting this as a hobby site/project we cannot believe how big Sheezy Art has gotten over the last few months.
Our interest is to make Sheezy Art one of the top websites for the online art community. We want to build Sheezy Art into a community that will help artists with everything they could need- from displaying and promoting their work, to getting them in touch with companies interested in purchasing their work or using them for upcoming projects.
Over the course of 2005, we will be making a variety of changes to Sheezy Art. All of these planned changes will make Sheezy Art the best it can possibly be, and give our users the features that they have been asking for:
-More Servers: In order to better accommodate our users, we plan to add additional servers to Sheezy Art. What will this mean? A faster all around site experience, including page viewing, searching, and posting your artwork. New servers will also give us additional bandwidth. This will allow us to support hundreds of thousands of new pieces of artwork and also let us put in additional user features.
-Subscription service: Many users have been asking for additional member features. We plan to create a subscription service that will include account extras and the removal of ads.
-Upgraded user interface/layout: Having additional servers and bandwidth will also allow us to include a more upgraded and customizable layout and user interface.
One of our goals with Sheezy Art is to make it a family friendly website. We want all people of all ages to be able to visit Sheezy Art and have an enjoyable and rewarding experience. In doing this, we are going to have to make some changes to the art we currently accept. As of January 16th, 2005, Sheezy Art will not longer accept or display adult art. This does not include mature art, and does not include art that contains tasteful nudity.
What getting rid of adult art will allow for, is a much better and faster viewing experience. Above we mentioned the fact that we will be looking to add additional servers in the coming months. For us to be able to do this, we MUST follow the hosting company's Terms of Use, part of which mentions the fact that our website may not include adult images or content. If we continue to show adult art, our server will be shut down.
While we are sure that there are some users who may disagree with this, what all of our users will be getting in return is much more beneficial. With new servers we will be able to put in many new features that artists have been suggesting. We will be able to support hundreds of thousands of new users and pieces of artwork. Viewing this site will be faster than ever. All of these things will be made possible, as long as we do not accept adult art.
We are very excited about where we want to take Sheezy Art over the course of this coming year and we hope you are too. We have many great features and services planned, and look forward to introducing all of them very soon. Thank you to all of our users that have been so supportive of Sheezy Art over the past year. It is because of user support that our site continues to get better and better. Stay tuned for more updates and announcements in the coming weeks.
> What getting rid of adult art will allow for, is a much better and faster viewing experience... For us to be able to do this, we MUST follow the hosting company's Terms of Use, part of which mentions the fact that our website may not include adult images or content. If we continue to show adult art, our server will be shut down.
And not another hosting company in the world would consider hosting SA??
There are dozens, if not hundreds of us who've been sitting around, waiting for details of the subscription service so we could help keep the SA we've grown so quickly to love, afloat. Nice payback, CC.
(And really good timing with loadsa people at FC just now, too).
> While we are sure that there are some users who may disagree with this, what all of our users will be getting in return is much more beneficial.
"all"?? Sorry, but you cannot speak for "all" of us?
I'm sure the majority of users will still be happy and thankful to use the system.
But narking off your other dedicated supporters by diktat and only stressing the "positives" to gloss over/ignore the hurt (if not, feeling of betrayal given many have also cut their ties with DA) ain't a sign of good business awareness.
Pulling in "customers" under "false pretences" is never smart.
With greatest admiration and respect for what you, the other techs and mods have managed to achieve in such a short space of time...
Well... I'm turned into a villian because of SA. Sharon, the high moderator warned me. Stupid people.... I know it's not SheeyArt's fault... but it is the people's fault.
I for one don't care if most adult stuff is excluded.. I just want to see SA allow things they say they'll allow, such as some tasteful nudes and such, problem being that I doubt it will stay that way.
..and I see the announcement to kill adult art has brought the trolls out. *peers at a few fugly/sick new uploads*
Hm. I wholeheartedly agree with the people against this. This move will seriously hurt you; most of America is full of perverts, you can't deny that, and basically many of said perverts come to this site for nudity/eroticism that's restricted in many other sites. *twitch, twitch*
Hahaha. Most of America? Russia's full of perverts here. I see at least one psycho who got arrested for public nudity every day . And swinger parties. Plenty of em. o_O And the Yaoi, and the yuri...we need....specially the yuri. Yuri yuri yuri yuri yuri!! O_o YURI BITCHES. *twitch* Meep.
Thas pretty shitty. Just cause you don't like someones veiws, your happy that alot of people are leaving. Most of the artists here, are here because they can post their art and veiws freely. Not flaming here, but seriously, thats pretty sad. Hope all your favorites leave you with nothing to look at.
No where did I state that I was overjoyed that people are leaving. They don't like it? Fine with them, not my concern. I only stated in my original comment that I was going to find comments (already being posted in journals) hilarious because I have a quirky sense of humour like that. ONLY just because everyone should have seen it coming.
As for my favourites?
I can view their work elsewhere. The loss of them here on SA isn't -much- a big deal. Anyone whom is a favourite of mine here, 99.9% of the time are other people I've met other places. Don't get me wrong, It will be unfortunate to not be able to see the other extents of their work here because of the Implementation of the 16th.
And know who some of those empty galleries will belong to... Potential Subscribers! So SA has shot themselves in the foot like dA. So I got one thing to say to them... See you in the scrap heap
Oh dear, expect to get flames up the wazzo with this one. I feel for you in the coming weeks But it's necessary to maintain and expand the site. Everything sounds good, it's nice that you're looking out for the site and trying to make everything fun and beneficial for the majority.
And what exactly is the point of maintaining and expanding the site if you drop the thing about it that makes it unique? Everyone's already said that this essentially drops SheezyArt down to the level of DeviantArt... we already HAVE a DeviantArt, and it runs faster and is better-known.
SheezyArt may have continued its existence, but that existence is now pointless.
But to address your concern specifically, what will make SA different from DA now? From my standpoint:
-DA is more organized vs. SA is more customizable. This kind of balances out between the two.
-DA is larger and more well known vs. SA is smaller. Which means you can actually talk to people and make friends instead of being in a constant battle of getting out of the "another user" mentality. Some people are very successful at this and I admire them for it, but there are people like me that don't feel like going through the effort or aren't out for commercial gain so SA has more appeal.
-DA has a more "official" feel to it and boasts things like Prints vs. You can actually FIND people on SA that you would like to buy prints from. Many people here have a DA account, so when you find them here you can go there and stalk them too. My problem is that there are SO many users on DA with so much crap it's hard to find anyone I would really want to buy stuff from in the first place. (that's just my opinion though)
I could go on but my attention span is short today, it's Friday Yeah, getting rid of adult stuff sucks, and even if I don't like most adult art I'd rather it stay since so many people do. But *points back to the link and the beginning of this post* there seems to be nothing that can be done... I don't think SA's existence is pointless, I think it's still perfect for those of us that prefer a smaller community.
...that was longer than I intended it to be. Sorry
The only thing it has is the customization, actually.
Once it gets goin, SA will be huge.
The kinda let us live a lie, a place where we could post anywhere from G to NC17. Most sites are only up to PG13, or R/NC-17 ONLY, or do not allow furry art, or not human art.... which really sucks.
Eh, while I seriously doubt that anime will ever go away, right now it's more of a fad than anything. In 10 years or so only the serious hardcore anime artists will still be drawing in anime style and everyone else will switch to whatever the next art fad is or will be old enough to get into art in college and realize that there are other styles other than anime. *shrugs* The other issue is that most people don't know what classifies as anime and what doesn't so it's kind of hard to make a site that doesn't accept it
I just feel that people who are not Asian shouldn't be allowed to draw Anime. xD And people having their usernames and characters have Japanese names is rather unoriginal.
I just feel that people who are not Asian shouldn't be allowed to draw Anime.
...That, I have to say, is one of the most prejudiced things I've run across in a while.
I'm white, but I've spent the past 8 years learning and drawing the style. But since I'm not Asian, I should just give up? It's the devotion and intent behind the art, not the person, who creates the piece.
And anime isn't a fad. Check how long it's been around already - more than ten years. In the US, it became big ten years ago, in 1995. Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon, Pokemon - those are around a decade old; as far as a fad goes, fads last ten years tops. They don't create industries that are more resilient than average industries. Fads don't change the way countries do exchanges.
People who aren't japanese think they're from the Orient--well--they talk and draw like it anyway. it makes me want to strangle some cosplayer. *cackles*
I just don't like Anime's affect on other countries is all. Now I, an artist who has his own style, has to fight to get noticed, because no one will touch anything that's not anime with a ten-foot-pole anymore.
Well, it certainly isn't helping kids learn the correct way to draw the human face (believe me, it's something I deal with on a daily bases). I but I like it as an artform, just not one you should learn to do first.
I know what you mean, and I mostly agree. It is a fad, but I was a fan before it went to that stage and I will remain a fan long after it has passed. It's the same for me as homosexuality, My Little Ponies, Beanie Babies, and all that other junk.
I HATE Japanophiles, believe me, but I do like to draw in an anime-like style. I am American with absolutely no Asian descent, but I still feel I have an okay grasp on it. It's also not the ONLY STYLE I EVER DRAW IN OMG. There are other styles out there.
You know what I think? Only french people should be allowed to paint in the impressionistic style. OH! Also, only devote religious people should be able to draw angels, and any religous depiction. You know what teaches people proportions? Books and, life, and classes. Ugh, And I looked at your artwork, it sure as hell looks like anime influenced to me. Honestly, think before you post something as blatantly biased as that phrase!
Unless you started drawing like that 60 years ago or you have never seen anime or anime influenced items then your art is, by all logical analysis, anime influenced. My opinion is that it is heavily based on anime but that is my opinion and is disputable...The above analysis is not unless you have other information to disprove it.
There is a difference between opinion and fact.
The "anime" art style was inspired from Disney. Disney was inspired from cartooning. Cartooning was used by painters. Painting got its big kick in Europe several hundred years ago. And don't forget cave drawings.
According to your logic, your elitest attitude is hypocritical because your style most likely had its origins in a country you don't even belong to. Therefore, you don't have a right to draw in your style, according to you.
Also, art is a refelction of society. In no way is it "destroying" considering art is a representation of what is currently happening. Your disdain for a style doesn't give you a basis to justify its worth in an objective manner.
And even though this is your opinion, I urge you to educate yourself before you try to voice it so you do not come across as ignorant.
I am respecting your opinion, but people like you decide you need to gang-up and verbally rape people like me into submission, becuase you don't like people who dislike Anime.
Oh yes...you're respecting my opinion by telling me to "stfu". Further more, by being blatantly rude to artists who use the anime style in the first place. Very classy.
I feel the need to "verbally rape" the ignorant because I have every right to respond to their public flamitory remarks, and I especially don't like elitest attitudes.
This has nothing to do with whether you like anime or not, assuming so makes you look like a fool for trying to plea as a victim.
How about, people who choose to draw in an anime style should first learn exactly HOW to draw in an anime style first.
And people who try to draw adult artwork, should probably learn just where the inny and outty parts are located on the body before trying put them together in a picture. Man, I've seen more ****s trying to stick in locations on the female body that should be physically impossible. Anatomy people, anatomy.
I don't care if the art looks like it could belong in the real world, I just want it to look realistic proportionally (though there are exceptions). Well, I want the effort anyway, seeing as how I'm not perfect at proportions myself.
To be honest, the anime style really seems to consist of "big eyes", and that's about it. Well, and maybe big heads too.
OMG! haha... sorry I had to call you out on this... anime is in its own a style used in Japan since back in World War 2. It started as little comics and shorts and because they were rich people the way they produced anime is why it is how is. Anime has been around a lot longer than some people may think and I think it is wrong to call it a fad. In Japan anime caters to all ages 0 - 99 while mostly in the US cartoons are aimed at little kids.
Oh man.. geese... I could go on I did a whole report on Japanimation Vs Cartoons for my Sophmore Year in College. I will gladly put the paper up. Calling Anime a fad is ignorant, yes you can have your opinion but some opinions should be updated when facts become known or some research is done.
And disliking anime I respect... but calling it a fad i have to disagree. If you notice also.... the US is starting to adopt the "anime" style. I draw and people draw what they like... and i agree people should learn the basics before doing anything but people who are drawing are leanring and dont call themselves "professionials" or anything so let them draw and as a true artist you should respect their work, not like it but respect the time and effort behind it.
im getting in over my head and so i shall stop.. i just kept reading this whole rant in here...
With that kind of extensive research, you should know that the man dubbed as the "Father of Japanese Animation" claims his inspiration came from Disney films. The anime we speak of today was influenced heavily by Disney films.
At least, I'd hope you'd have known that with your claims of writing a report about it.
1. Been around too long to be a fad. Ie: I and even my sisters, who're much older than me, grew up on this stuff. that's a window greater than my age of 21 years.
2. Destroying Society...? What, you a xenophobe or something...? Or would you also consider any other thing that kids your age and younger got into to be destructive...?
3. Affect on other countries. Could you please explain/back this up? I'm not sure I see any effects from it at all...
4. Oh yes, I'm absolutely certain that the reason you can't get decent views anywhere is because of people doing 'anime style' work. Oh yes. It has nothing to do with your inability to draw, oh no. -.-
For the love of... Seriously, quit whining until you've actually got something to offer.
BTW, for someone who complains about people putting up and looking at porn, you've got an awful lot in your VCL account... Unless you're just complaining about it being 'anime style' or something. Hentai is porn no matter how it's drawn.
They really need to actually enforce quality control instead of just talking about it. :/
5. Opinions are Opinions, but Opinions are very much able to be unfounded and horribly skewed. For example, you can say that it's the opinion of a bigot to hate homosexuals, for example, because he says it's against god. Now, yes, that's his opinion, but it's also unfounded and not at all condoned. That, of course, is a cliche and extreme example, but the point is to get something across, not to equate situations. All I mean to say is, that it's your opinion, but it's also stupid and wrong.
6. I think it's awesome that something like a comic book or cartoon can get someone interested in learning about a different language and culture. Do you realise how close minded and xenophobic most Americans are? It's really nice to at least know that while some of these kids are creepy little fan girls/boys, at the very least, they're interested in one part of the world outside of where they live. Now, they do tend to get things mixed up and wrong a lot, and they can be pretty annoying with that. But at the very least... -.-
Most of these fans also don't believe themselves to be Japanese. I know some who think they almost are, and they need to be shot in the face, but a good majority aren't like that.
Now, I've had some asians be very adamant about their belief that at least one of my parents had to be vietnamese/indian/japanese, but... Yeah. ^.^;;; I just grew up around a lot of asian stuff as a kid, eeheh... Can't help what friends and stuff my parents had.
7. America hasn't really offered anything worth reading or watching the past decade or so. Not only that, but they haven't really put out much of anything, for that matter... There's some real gems, yes, like Hellboy and Transmetropolitan, and everyone's favourite nostalgia about some once awesome comic series, like Spider-Man, and a few cartoons like Aqua Teen Hunger Force (retarded, but friggen hilarious. It just takes a particular sense of humour, though...), but besides that... What else is there, especially for your prior age group? There's a large gap in American animation age group aiming-- small children, and college students. ^.^; Whatever happened to the kids in between...? Eheheh... It's really not that hard to see why things like this are so popular now. Why watch something as lame as Doug when you could have watched something not quite as lame as InuYasha? Not that I like Inu Yasha. It's just not as stupid as things like Doug or Hey Arnold.
Well, the comment didn't really say much of anything, except that you thought it was destroying society... But you haven't said what this destruction is. ^.^; It'd be nice if you actually did elaborate on that, because then the, er, discussion could go beyond general defenses vs. 'leave me alone!!!!'. Seriously.
Okay.. maybe destruction was a bit embelished. What I meant is, Anime was cool when it was a cult thing that only geeks like me enjoyed. Once it became mainstream and everyone started to get into it, around 2000, that's when it went downhill.
Everyone is obsessed with Anime, there's no more original styles of art for the western culture - the majority is drawing Anime. And then there are those kids who obsessed with speaking Japanese, naming all there Role Play characters in Japanese, and drawing/reading about gay Asian men.
Don't get me wrong, I still LIKE Anime, but seeing all of this happen so fast, if not at all, has killed my urges to turn on a television set or set foot outside anymore.
It disgusts me to see that a simple country has all of Western society in the tight grip of its hand like this. :/
And all these Anime-obsessed people verbally raping me for my views isn't helping. x.x
I think it is hurting the overall originality of young art students and making them a bit lazy when it comes to learning the old fashion/traditional art basics. They're more interested in result often than the process. Now, I say this because I speak from experience because training artist in these basics is what I do.
They see the overall simplistic style of manga and think, oh, that's easy to do so I'll draw that way, when in reality, there's a lot that goes into true manga art mentally. And as I mentioned before, it isn't helping students in learn correct, proper anatomy since much American-anime is very stylized and simplifies the human body and its features.
Regardless of what genre or style you draw there's still no excuse for not learning the basics of illustration. Gotta know the rules before you can break them.
obviously, you know nothing of the anime style. look at the eyes you draw. the face shapes. anime is characterised by it's HUGE ASS EYES and pointy chin faces. also, small noses. sound familiar?
i don't have a tv.
BUT
those western cartoons were influenced by anime, fool. (sorry, not trying to personally insult you, because i have no opinon of YOU as a person and i think personal insults are stupid BUT i thought "fool" would sound/look nice there. so i'm not calling you a fool, i just like the word. [wow, i don't know if it was worth it anymore...although you have to admit, fool sounds pretty awesome at the end of that sentence.]) astroboy, which was pretty much THE first anime, is what started those conventions of big eyes, pointy faces, small noses, etc. more-or-less all other anime took after that, and the western cartoons picked it up from japan. just trust me here. like you said, i don't watch much tv, but i do know my stuff when it comes to cartoon history.
anyway, anime is a style. there are japanese cartoons not drawn in the anime style. there are american cartoons, such as "teen titans", that are.
Wow. By you calling me a fool, I have rethought my opinion, and have decided you Anime-obsessed bastards (who won't let anyone else have a different opinion) are right. I suppose I'll just conform.
did you even READ my explanation about WHY i used the word fool?
i like the way it sounds. that's IT. i do not think you are a fool. i WROTE that i do not think you are a fool, which you would have noticed if you had read what i had written. i do not KNOW you well enough to call you a fool and mean it. I WAS KIDDING. oh my goodness.
also, i hate anime. (you'd have known THAT if you'd read my original comment properly.) thanks.
AND you can have a different opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that your art is in the anime style. i'm only in the interest of accuracy here.
I pretty much stopped reading all of the Status Update comments, becuase no one is accepting my opinions, and it's beginning to piss me off quite royally.
No one whose not Japanese should be drawing anime? 0.o
Good lord, do you know of you substituted American for Japanese there we wouldn't have anime ot begin with.
The earliest anime was derivitive of Disney!
So it came form a bunch of Japanese peopel adapting an Americna style.
I don't know I wouldn't say that. I think one can certainly be original within the anime style.
I brought this up on DA, but there are really no original umbrella styles (Realism, photography, cartoon (anime beign part of that in my mind), art deco, German Expressionism, surealism, modernism etc etc etc etc)
Any art can be stuck into a catagory, it's what one does with the art catagory, how one adapts and uses it, that is original.
To my mind, saying someone is unoriginal because they draw anime and that's overdone is like saying somone is unoriginal because they take photographs and that's overdone.
It's not a matter of overdone but whether the art produced is in a manner and styles that one sees everywhere. For instance, copying CLAMP is unoriginal, as in is copying Sailor Moon, but there are anime artists out there who have thier own distinct, instantly recognizable style, and that is what is original.
Yes, but it's one thing if you're Asian and you draw Anime. It's completely different if you're not Asian and you draw Anime. People who are not Asian and draw Anime treat it more of an obsession - not a style.
The obsessing over Japanese culture is what makes it unoriginal.
I can kinda see what your saying in that it's certainly not original of you are drawing it because everyone else draws it and becomes popular, but to me, I think that applies to American and Japanese artists. For instance, for a very long time, the shoujo style looked identical no matter what. I would even say the original style of Sailor Moon was unoriginal because it looked like what was popular for the shoujo comics. However, the artist eventually developed her own distinct style and become original.
To me, it's not about place of origin, but how derivitive it looks of someone else's style.
But yeah, I have to agree the people who draw in the mange/anime style because they want to be "Japanese" scare me
But also, it drives me nuts that anything that looks remotely cartoonish is percieved as anime these days and said to be "unoriginal". If you look at the art in Archie comics, that's very close to what's considered anime, but that style has been relatively consistent since the 40's. There's quite a bit of American art that does have similarities to the anime/manga style prior to it's explosion in popularity.
if you must know, it started mainly with Byosamu Tezuka, originator of Astro Boy, who loved Disney movies. That's where the big eyes come from, him and his contempories drawing disneyesque images. It snowballed into what anime is now.
On the topic of originality in anime...is http://www.sheezyart.com/view/193956/ original? I wanted comments on it because I like the style...But advertising here might be easier, eh?
I think that if you have a style that you are comfortable with and like the results is all that matters, unless you need positive reinforcment from others, that is.
My God. Let's talk about our issues here kids. He stated an opinion, but let's bash the living shit out of him instead of calmly calling him out on the differences we feel. He's permitted to think what he wants, as are you.. It took me like half an hour to read all of that. Let's just take a deep breath here. *breathe*
I can actually quite see his point. I think everyone just looked too far into it, and got to angry about something that didn't need so much fuss over.
In 10 years or so only the serious hardcore anime artists will still be drawing in anime style and everyone else will switch to whatever the next art fad is or will be old enough to get into art in college and realize that there are other styles other than anime.
If anime became popular with the incept of Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z in the US in 1995, it's been around more than ten years already. Speed Racer was popular much earlier than 1995, and other animes have been in the US as early as the 1960's.
Fads, such as snap bracelets or pogs, last three to five years, and then go away. Anime's lasted more than ten years already, and even stronger as an industry int he US than ever before. Pogs created an indutstry that died and had to shift to another location. Anime's started businesses that have become so powerful other groups, such as regular novel companies, are creating divisions to accomdate the trend. It's not a fad, it's a fixture.
As a self-proclaimed Anime Artist, I've been drawing in 'anime' style for more than 8 years. By your possible logic, I'm an old-timer in the 'fad' - I've seen the rise of cons born of anime fiends, and their growing memberships. If it'll be another ten years or so, I'll have been part of this 'fad' for almost two decades - an awfully long time to be into something. I go to an art school and know all of the other styles - an idiot would be hard pressed to not have seen the great painters of history in their textbooks from elementary school on up. But I've chosen to follow my passion, which doesn't lie with landscapes but with anime.
Then you and I are exactly alike and there's nothing contradictory to what I said at all. We're agreeing.
Read what I said again, the serious hardcore anime artists will still be drawing in anime the REST will go on to whatever the next fad is. I've been drawing in anime style since the 6th grade...that would be 11 years ago. I grew up watching Speed Racer and Tekkaman, the Guyver, Mighty Atom and "Saturday Anime" on the SciFi Channel. I was teased relentlessly in 7th grade because the people in my pictures had 'big eyes' and why didn't I draw Taz from Looney Toons? I've taken art courses, I'm familiar with traditional artists and after MUCH fiddling with other styles, like you, I've chosen to follow my passion which is anime. It was anime that got me into Japanese culture, why I started studying Japanese, and ultimately why I went to live in Japan for well over a year although by that time it wasn't my sole purpose for being there.
I am an old-timer in what I call the 'fad' and yes, I would think you are too. Anime has been around a long long long time, but it wasn't until the days of Sailor Moon and DBZ (not the original Dragon Ball in the mid-90s, DBZ in the late 90s) that it became insanely popular.
The people I'm referring to that are part of the 'fad' are the people that jumped in just because they saw a chance to be part of a crowd. Just like with snap bracelets and Hypercolor shirts (which are still around by the way, my little niece has one). Once there is a bigger crowd elsewhere in something else -in 10 years, 20 years or 50+ years and in whatever topic or medium it may be- the hardcore old school anime artists will still be around like me and based on what you've said you as well. The rest, well, who knows?
Now, knowing what you know about me and my opinion and after reading your most recent journal entry after looking at your site out of curiosity...please point to where, in ANY of my posts, did I say anime was not art? Don't judge people based on a single sentence that was posted in a topic that originally had NOTHING to do with whether anime is a 'fad' or 'art' in the first place.
Seeing how I pride myself on being an anime artist I felt the need to post here directly to answer the accusation even though it's incredibly off topic. If you would like to continue the discussion Tesh (or anyone for that matter) feel free to PM me and I'll be more than happy to. But otherwise I'm done clogging this poor topic with already...what, 1500 posts now? o.O
Anime is a fad but a long running fad.
Anime has a cycle of every ten years generating something.
Astro Boy
Speed Racer
Robotech
Sailor Moon
Dragon Ball Z
The above had significant impact on how its viewed in our society.
Someone said Someone from Asia shouldn't be drawing anime. This is a funny and ridiculous statement. Most Anime style was influenced BY DISNEY. I guess NO ONE should be drawing it then? I guess US cartoons shouldn't be drawn by Asians...because most cartoons are. That's what happens when you outsource. It's almost as funny when people think that Anime is just soley something for Japan - Korea and other countries are often the low wage labor for animation.
There is more to the style than BESM. (Big Eyes Small Mouth.)
There is more of a problem to anime, and that's the economy. Right now Japan's economy is really really bad. Almost every department in Japan has an anime department in hopes for gaining some money. This also leads to the problem that right now there really is no great product coming from Japan. Also, US companies that distributed anime, have given the mindset to younger generations that newer shinier looking anime is good, all else that is older is bad.
Which is kind of Sad, Anime had more edge and storytelling in their older works. But people don't really know that.
The other problem is, as people demand for more anime, it undercuts jobs for people wanting to be actual illustrators in the US economy. There is only a finite amount of shelf space.
But I guess what do I know, I've told people this for a long time. I draw anime style and like it but I don't try to keep myself to that style, because if I want an actual paying job, trying to imitate something that someone can get much cheaper overseas is a stupid move.
As far as adult art, that's just silly. I mean the site has a right to do what it wants but sadly it seems like the only way to get people to come aboard was because sex sold. That's just sad. I'm not sad about art being deleted but the rating system needs to be fixed period.
Yeah... I'm gonna tell you what I just told someone else who commented on my views.
"Anime was cool when it was a cult thing that only geeks like me enjoyed. Once it became mainstream and everyone started to get into it, around 2000, that's when it went downhill.
Everyone is obsessed with Anime, there's no more original styles of art for the western culture - the majority is drawing Anime. And then there are those kids who obsessed with speaking Japanese, naming all there Role Play characters in Japanese, and drawing/reading about gay Asian men.
Don't get me wrong, I still LIKE Anime, but seeing all of this happen so fast, if not at all, has killed my urges to turn on a television set or set foot outside anymore. Do you know how embarressing it is for me to flip through Graphic Novels at a bookstore, becuase of all this?
It disgusts me to see that a simple country has all of Western society in the tight grip of its hand like this. :/
And all these Anime-obsessed people verbally raping me for my views isn't helping. x.x"
Being a webmaster of the largest known anime site, it gives you an even perspective on things.
Japan isn't so much of a simple country but it has a big social problem because there isn't a good steady birth rate, and there's now a large dichotomy between the youth and elders.
That's also another factor why their economy is going downhill.
Firstly, I understand why you would be angry with the over-hype and japonisim in everyone's style, but you can't really go onto a site like this (where a large majority of the members are westerners imitating the manga style) and say I hate what you guys do, and not expect to get many angry replies. You kinda set yourself up for it....it would be like me going to a christian forum and going, "I hate god" etc (this is just an example because the homosexuality thing has been used already).
But anyways, of course I'm going to get angry replies. Just like you have. So by all means, speak your mind but be prepared that others will speak their mind back at you.
The manga style is something that's overdone, and often poorly done. Some people even jump into it with no understanding of japanese culture, others try to take it and incorporate it into their own style, resulting in the hybrid western-japanese comic book style that many american comic books artists do today. (I have a friend whom is also very angry about this!) Even though I also draw in a manga style, I dislike the enivitable westernisation in "mangarised" art.
Despite saying this, I've seen many artists who do the manga style beautifully. Artists like those make me glad that westerners draw mangarised art.
I for one hate the style of most western comics. I hated them my whole life, even before the whole anime thing. I see western art as a waste of creativety, creating a character with an exaggerated personality, or repeating the same drawing (like one would in a comic strip.) Despite saying that there are some very detailed comics out there...
Of course, my opinion is biast because I've been exposed to the japanese culture since five, when I attended a japanese joint venture primary school. I learnt japanese, was shown japanese manga and anime as well as learning many customs in japan's society. Anyways, that would make someone biast to japan/manga...I guess. I am more for japan over my own counties culture cause I learnt japanese culture instead of learning about my country...probs why I wanna move there.
Anyways, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I find many comic book styles/genres as uncreative as the western manga style. My friend draws like the westerner he is, I think he creatively limits himself through simiplifing his lineart, etc.
This kinda went from an angry rant to a general reflection. It's 4am in the morning so yeah....anyways, if I had to think of the thing that bothers me most about anime/manga being made western, is the whole translating thing. I have never bought a graphic novel of a manga and don't intend to. I've always read manga in japanese, and don't intend to stop now. When it's in english it loses part of the japanese culture...but then again, nothing you can do about that either.
Just to dropkick my two cents into this chat, I agree with Sterilized Dirt. Obviously there are things that all of us have said that arguable or even flat out wrong, but I do believe he is right when he says that the initiation of the manga style and overwhelming popularity of it among the nerd group is cheapening. Lemme explain that comment (it sounds harsh even to me, but I can't think of any other way to put it). I know not only nerds read manga and watch anime. I know that not all nerds read manga and watch anime. It's just that from my observation, in my school, the "art nerds" are generally the ones interested in the stuff. I admit, I used to be interested too, but after switching modes over to some other styles, I've found I enjoy them more.
When an artist begins with the intent to simply copy a style, all because he's interested in the plot line of a story with a similar style, he may be cramping whatever his or her own "original" style is. I just think it's dumb when someone can sit down and say, "I draw anime!" Unless you've put a concious effort into copying someone else's work, without any original input of your own, you're not drawing anime. You're doing your own thing, with manga influences or however you want to put it. My main beef is against classifying art as anime or disney styles. I've been told so many times "what nice anime you do!". It pisses me off. Don't ask for an explanation, I just believe that I have a unique style. Maybe someone is almost the same, but they'll never have the EXACT SAME style as me. So labelling is a waste. And it pisses people off. And the entire point to any of this is that most newbs or simply bad artists copy other people's works. Especially anime followers. Real talent, and I mean REAL talent, where you have the flexibility to work in any style or medium, comes from exposure to multiple styles, not just your favorite. If you're not interested in other people's opinions, or you're just doing it for fun, then ignore all of this. Because people can do whetever floats their boat, but when an art nerd draws flat out anime, but has the talent to do so much more, I dunno, it just sorta hurts to think how much they're restricting themselves.
So I just skimmed this, and I think it mostly makes sense, (at least to me), but if anyone wants me to expound on anything, just note me. Or respond. Whatever.
Thanks...The bits about having your style that is your own and the bits about dabbing in everything really put things into prespective for me. Hopefully this gets rid of ye olde' artiest block for me.
I believe both sites are unmanageable... Both are controled by those who are powermongers and believe themselves to be better than us. Guess what! They signed their death warrents with a move like this.
AMEN! You kill the adult art and I might as well terminate my account as all the people I view and spread their views on my innocent stuff are of my kind of mind - they leave I lose their views :(
Note: gifhaas, not all of this is directed to you, I'm just feeling lazy and don't want to reply seperately so I'm posting my comments to a few people here in full I'm not trying to pick on you
Yes. People will leave because of this change, you would have to be an idiot not to realize that. The admins have stated several times that they realize it, that's been established. However, while the admins may have their preferences I believe them when they say they aren't getting rid of adult art simply because of their personal feelings.
The majority of web servers out there do not support adult oriented art, and apparently Sheezy has merely been slipping under the radar of their host site up until now (at least that's the impression I get from reading their comments). They are running this site FREE OF CHARGE and people 'offering' to donate money isn't helping them because when push comes to shove the ultimate excuse is "I'm not donating because of X" or "I'm broke right now". So how does that help? They have to pay for this site, they have to run the site, so ultimately how things work are up to them and the people they are dependent on (namely the server).
This decision happens to lay in the hands of the people they are dependent on, the server. They say no adult art? Sheezy must obey. It SUCKS, it sucks hardcore, but not much can be done about it right now. Perhaps when the subscription service starts up they may get enough money to put this site on a server that allows adult art and can change back. But until then, everyone just needs to grit their teeth and deal with it (since this is FREE) or move somewhere else where adult art can be accepted (which many people have decided to do).
Now, had you read a few pages into this topic you would have seen that your points have been raised, and answered by the admins and the mods if you would like to read them. This is just a general summation of the problem as I've come to understand it.
Agreed, but when you make a site with a freedom aproach you don't go and ripp out the very spine that has been supporting you.
YES it is a free site, YES it is up to the admins what goes and what blows, YES their current provider is saying "BEND OVER AND TOUCH YOUR TOES!!"
What I am saying is that without the freedom that has been the core of this society sheezy just becomes another DA, and if that is all it will be diminished to it will be a sad sad tragedy.
Well, they made it with a freedom approach because they didn't realize how popular it was going to get and thought they could handle it. When it was a small site no one noticed, now that they're becoming a large site, well, the higher ups are taking notice That's their mistake and they already apologized several times for it.
It -is- sad, but I'm not going to say it's just like DA. CC promised that a bunch of cool stuff is coming up to make up for it, so I'm going to wait until I see what he has in mind before I pass judgement. Besides, I'm really curious to find out anyway In the meantime I still like Sheezy and I plan to stay AND keep my DA account. This may not turn out as to be as bad as it seems...That's all!
Fair enough - I intend to keep my account too, but all the people who posted dayly will now be gone, so many many many good people all gone in the blink of an eye.
While the new options distract us from the chains lashed around our legs, more options yes, but it will be in a life of bondage.
A pitty, but until SA change servers (I am doubting they will do this though from all the reactions they have been attempting to smooth over) all we can do is sit and wait.
Yeah, but I don't see you running an art community, do I? Once you're doing that on a limited budget and getting a good deal from a relatively cooperative server host, we'll talk about who is in the right for what, deal?
Just as a comment about it being up to the server, that is true... if the world was dependent upon one single server. There are many many out there. And there are things you can do if you are on contract: break it and have your artists help you pay the fees, "resell" it to someone/s who need it, get a second one and have your artists help you pay the fees. Had they come to the artists with this dilemma, I'm sure they would have rallied to support the community they've come to love and depend upon.
The fact is... they do not regard porn as art, and that is why it is being so quickly abandoned.
Had they come to the artists with this dilemma, I'm sure they would have rallied to support the community they've come to love and depend upon.
Ahhhh but therein lies the problem. In making this decision what guarantee do they have that the artists WILL rally to support the community? Especially considering that many if not the majority are under the age of 18 and don't have credit cards? As I said before, it's one thing to SAY you would financially support Sheezy, it's something wholly different to actually do it. Not saying that it couldn't happen of course but look at it this way (and I'm making these numbers up, they haven't disclosed their account information):
If you opened a coffee shop/website/whatever that cost you $1000 dollars a month, and broke a contract that cost $5000 for breaking it to suit your users and move to a new building/server/whatever which would cost $200 dollars MORE than where you are at now, with a less than reliable (and even if reliable often variable) source of income, and you had $500 in your private bank account....would you honestly take that risk? And even if you would take that risk do you have sources where you can borrow the needed money to change spaces immediately to cover expenses until you get a system set up and donors willing to donate?
I certainly wouldn't, and anyone that has taken even a basic economics class would see that it's not wise. And since we don't know the circumstances of their contract, how much they pay, how much they make (keep in mind CC is still a minor and this was just a fun project for him originally!) in real life or on here, I think it's really unfair to pass judgement and ridicule them for not paying the difference-an amount we don't know-and getting ticked off at them because of it.
Some comments were made by the admins where they pretty well stated that they didn't believe porn was art, I'll give you that definately, but if it was so against their moral standards they wouldn't have allowed it on the site to begin with. I just think they found themselves between a rock and a hard place and had to make a decision...and here's the result. It sucks, I don't agree with it. There are so many cool artists that draw adult art, but if it needs to be done then so be it.
lol! Yeah, I feel bad for them, there's already well over 1200 responses to this topic and they have almost every one of them showing up in their inboxes They can't answer all of them so I've just been answering the people that responded to my initial post based on information from reading the initial 600 posts...I couldn't read any more after that
Anyway, thank you for reading and I hope it helped
I don't think feeling bad for them is exactly the reaction one should quite have in response to this debacle. I'm rather glad that the outpouring is flooding their inboxes, however as evidenced by their responses I can tell they just don't care... and worse.
Your response helped in so far as I now at least understand why people like yourself feel justified standing up for them. Cuz I was really feeling revolted. Oh wait. I still am.
*purrsya*. Yes; good points, but probably more difficult to know the answer now the decision has been taken.
(And if the percentage of people with credit cards ain't that high to begin with, it's sure going to be much lower- in terms of people still here and willing to support SA- after the ban on "adult art" (sorry, pr0n) has taken place).
The news item above says that they don't have the server to have adult art...But it also says they don't _want_ adult art. Even if every person here donated they still seem to be turning towards a PG site entirely anyway. They just plain don't want you 'perverts' posting your stuff here. Now explain to me how making your page look a little funky is different to DA in terms of sharing art?
Well, first of all if you read the next 3 pages here pretty much all of those points would have been answered. Second, I'm not quite sure where you're finding so called 'perverted' art in my gallery (unless this is sort of a mass message to several people and it's just being put under my post? Which is fine, I do that too).
And third, if all you're looking at is sharing art then what makes DA any different from Elfwood, Furaffinity, Side 7 or any other place for that matter? Sharing art is sharing art no matter where you go, it's the community and those little extras that make people choose where they want to go. I believe I made the start of a comparison in someone elses post under my original post here comparing DA to SA if you read it. They're both good, it just depends on what you're looking for Personally I like SA better BECAUSE it's smaller, but others like DA better because it's more professional, and more power to them. It's all personal preference when it comes to art galleries
<sigh> I expect everything to move VERY fast and smoothly, as many of my favorite artists/authors will probably leave or have a large amount of their galleries cut out.
I'm not really in a rush to upgrade to OS X since I'm continuously told that it still has bugs in it. (plus I'm not really looking forward to the possiblity that I may lose some programs I use and may have to get a new printer + scanner due to incapatiblities? (yes, I just made that word up!)
But OSX has been around for quite a while! I've been using it for three years and I haven't gotten any problems. I don't even touch Classic Environment anymore Besides, the software updates have taken care of most bugs :)
Also, I don't think I can live without exposé anymore
It's the most convenient thing which came out in OSX Panter. Like, if your screen is so full of windows and you need to see them all, press F9 and they'll all shrink into mini-windows so you can see them all and choose the one you need. F10 brings to the front all the windows in a certain program, and F11 makes all your windows fly and hide away in the corners if you want to clear your screen for a bit to see your desktop
I'm curious as to what all happend with him. I know who you mean... but whats up with him!? O_o Why dont you PM me to keep it out of HEY LETS FLAME HIM public eye?
As of January 16th, 2005, Sheezy Art will not longer accept or display adult art.
This will cause many of those newly added users and artworks to disappear. Many of the new registrants here are coming from DeviantArt and other archives where adult artwork is not permitted. Expect many stagnant non-updating accounts and much fewer page impressions because of this policy.
I never said nor assumed that you didn't know what it means. Why add servers and bandwidth for a policy change that greatly reduces the need for more servers and bandwidth?
I suppose those plans involve copying and pasting every news and policy change DeviantArt does, since you're attempting to copy them completely, except, y'know, less-known and more pathetic?
Do those "plans" involve a cried out for "rolleyes" emoticon? People around sheezy mourn for the lack of it. I certainly do. I even posted a version made by me and my friend, simple, but it may be a start and inspiration for other artists to improve it from our version.. Till then you should do some version of it. Still, if you don't, thanks for taking our time reading this, i really think you done well with the new server thing, even the adult thing i like..for the fact that some people liked adult art for the wrong reasons..i know some..not me. 9_9 (In case you don't get it, i just tried to use :rolleyes:)
Ps: Organizing the whole emoticon's page with subtitles wouldn't hurt aswell..
There is already a DeviantArt. SheezyArt was only good because it didn't require subscription, and it allowed adult art. Congratulations, all your hard work and effort is now moot. You're officially just a crappy DeviantArt clone. Way to fade back into obscurity and ruin a good thing. You say you want to be "family friendly"? Well fuck family friendly. Every other site in the world is "family friendly". I apologize though. I thought you were open, accepting, reasonable people who had the inspiration to support artists and not some fanatical religious fucktarts living somewhere in the middle of Mississippi, or possibly that you had some balls unlike all the other commercial sites. But I guess it was predictable, that you'd turn commercial and become corporatized. Anyway...who cares about the artists when there's money involved? Well, you can expect my account to go idle and disappear eventually.
Fuck you, Channel Cat, you just screwed yourself over. If you want to corner DeviantArt's end of the market, you'll be committing financial suicide. They've been around longer, they're bigger, and they're better. You just lost the only points of the entire service that made you better than them. *begins a search for another free art site before SA inevitably goes pay-only and begins restricting users from postion political art as well, or poetry, or violence, or...feels like jumping from one falling rock to another*
you know, i DON'T agree. if you want to draw adult-oriented art, that's fine. i think that's great. and if you have the talent, use it. but there's nothing wrong with family friendly. not to mention there's a different between adult art and pornography. what you guys are complaining about loosing is the free porn. if you want to post that stuff, great. but do it on your own site where everybody and their brother isn't going to see it, too. i'll even give you an example. klsama's art is adult art. but it's tasteful. that kind of art on a public site is fine. no, he doesn't know i used him as an example, so if you want to flame someone, flame me. not him. everyone is in such an uproar over this. i think it's rather childish, personally.
You're obviously not much of an artist yourself. If you were, you'd realise that it's not about "free porn" it's about artistic freedom. You don't realize what's being taken away slowly. People are loosing the freedom to express themselves, and they're even CONDONING it. It's sickening. There's nothing wrong with a site wanting to not have adult art, but we already have DeviantArt. If SheezyArt had been created with that idea in mind, it would have been PERFECTLY FINE.
The problem here is that they're completely ruining the entire thing, and all the time and effort a lot of artists have put into Sheezy Art.
Don't try to force your ideas of what's "tasteful" off on other people, too. Did you realize, oh my Christianity-conformed-idea-pushing friend, that there are people who view adult, erotic, sexual artwork to be entirely tasteful? There are actually SOME people who don't just masturbate to it! In fact, some people actually view it as a beautiful, natural expression of the human mind and emotion. Your preacher won't teach you that, I'm sure, so I don't blame you for being ignorant and stereotypically labelling something you dislike into an extreme category to make it look bad. I don't really expect anyone to be intelligent or have common sense.
Mind you, I would have just said, "eh, that's your opinion, fair's fair" if you hadn't used half-wit bandwagon logic to reply. Try actually stating something to SUPPORT your opinion rather than ATTACK the opposite opinion. (People never seem to understand they have to provide some type of merited REASON for their opinion to be "right" when they're persuading someone on something! Astounding!)
first off, i'm athiest. so, therefore, i can't be a Christianity-conformed-idea pusher. as for the rest; you have your opinions, i have mine. end of story.
I agree with Woobman here actually. But lets get away from agreeing or disagreeing here for a moment. You want to argue and present your point, there is nothing wrong with this. But let's be honest here. If you want to get your point out there it should be done in an adult manner, especially if it is about an adult subject. Not that crazy an idea is it? Put your point across and get it out there but do it tastefully. And I believe this is what SA is trying to do. The adult material is not the problem. It is the fact that things should be done in a tasteful manner.
See, that's a perfectly fair and reasonable statement. I agree with your sentiment there, but I have to hold artistic freedom and the integrity of Sheezy Art at a higher level of importance than their right to change their policy.
*nodnod* i agree with woobman and mouko. there is a right and a wrong way to do things. blowing up like a child is not one of them. granted, there are some positives and some negatives to this, but not everyone is having a major coronary over it. some artists are quietly accepting this and either not posting adult art here, or going to find another site to do so. that's the way things should be done. if you still want to be vocal about it, telling the admins to 'fuck off', or calling them 'fucktards' is not the way to get their attention in a positive light. you're going to be deemed a trouble-maker and possibly blackballed. let's not go out ungracefully, eh?
Heh, that's fair enough. I hope my sentiment doesn't reflect on you too much. It's just my personal method of expression. I was raised that if you don't like something, the only way to get anything done is to let people know about it. To be honest, I had respect for Channel Cat for what he was doing, but all that dropped when he did this.
But mind you, I am a troublemaker. I like to stick with extremes; it's my style. If I like something, I do my best to support it and get it some attention and help it grow, but if something really disappoints me or pisses me off, I'm gonna let the persons involved have a piece of my mind.
I try to be reasonable though. It was Sheezy Art's right to do what they've done, but I still think it's horribly wrong, and perpetuating a VERY negative trend I'm noticing that centers around church-perpetuated restrictive concepts that are psychologically damaging people. This (of course) is a very rooted issue hidden amongst everything I'm talking about, nothing they're specifically CONSCIOUSLY supporting, but still are nonetheless.
Anywho, sorry if I've annoyed you with my dramatic expression. n.n; Oh well, win some, lose some, I guess.
Thanks. n.n; It's always good when I'm occassionally commended on it. x.x I know most people (usually the recieving end of said discussions) don't recieve it well, though I try to do well and pride myself in anything I'm passionate enough to get worked up over, be it positively or negatively.
This WAS the answer to the 'Don't like it find another site' answer. Then they decided they just wanted to be like everyone else, only less successful. I don't think I am going out on a limb by saying that near half (greater or lower) of artists on this site have submitted now deleted art. That's quite a chunk gone for people who don't actually use the site (but might later on when they post crude kinder-art)
Agreed. Any time a company decides it can mistreat their client base it means they've become overconfident and just made a huge mistake. Regardless of the merit of making an art site that doesn't allow mature works, it's the fact they changed their minds because they decided that they could make more money that is where they went wrong. It would be somewhat like ordering a product model from a catalog, then once recieved, you had a toaster rather than a TV because the company decided it could make more money selling a different product. Once you'd already invested (in this case money, in our case time) in what you was advertised, having what's rightfully yours ripped away is wrong, even if said company can get away with it.
Isn't most of the world above 18 (or 21) anyway? What a waste of so many cool possibilites for such a small amount of people. I'm sure that last year (17) I wouldn't give a toss that I couldn't be on this site looking at art because I knew my place!
Well, unfortunately, the issue here is that SheezyArt, rather than valuing and respecting its client base and its integrity, decided profits were more important. I guess those little advertisements you see all over are more important to SA than the art you see in the middle, which will, like Deviantart, probably eventually become just one feature buried in the midst of huge, intrusive flash ads with popup-causing javascript.
Back to the main point, Channel cat. If you had to upgrade to better bandwidth and hosting and all that, why did you not allow adult art from the start? I mean this is a smack in the face for a lot of people...I think it should have been introduced a little smoother, besides how'd you get away, posting adult art from the start? Did the hosting people not care or what? It just doesnt make sense. And if you knew about that, why didnt you go to a host that would allow adult art? This is going to be going on for awhile and Im sure of it. You'd better be prepared, some people r crazy and will try to sue you. Watch out! Not me though, Im just another user. Anyways keep up the improvements, I hope you can do a subscription service, a lot of people might like that. Later!
I'm positive you anticipated loss of page impressions and user accounts (even though it has come to my attention that user accounts can't actually be deleted?).
But I certainly don't just buy the argument that the owner/administrators of the site have no choice in hosting provider.
I never said that. I only remain curious as to why a site with "big plans" seeks to expand capacity at the cost of good-sized portions of audience. They must be some amazing plans.
But apparently not amazing enough to include them with the same post announcing elimination of large portions of membership? How they say, no reacharound?
Not to be a pile on (since I technically hadn't yet uploaded any art here, so am not really effected by your sudden change in policy), BUT don't you think it probably would be a good idea to throw those who probably will pull up stakes a bone of just what you DO have planned to keep them from bolting sooner?
I mean, it seems like it would be kinda LATE if you did it after the fact. Especially once many return from a comic convention going on this weekend to find that most of their art will probably have to be deleted.
Now that I know more details (SA in contract, much cheaper services), I can understand why you're axeing the adult stuff in response to the TOS of the provider. I can't say I particularly like the decision, but knowing more of the whys makes me go from "OMG WTF?" to "Ohhh, that makes sense."
I'm happy with Sheezy and have left DA completely due to disagreement over their double-standard copyrights policy. But there are other sites out there that allow adult art, and people could always, yanno, get their own site to display their adult artwork.
Keep up the good work. Adminning is tough and I don't envy you at all.
The variety of art here, adult/general, furry/anime, was what made SA a bit more interesting to view than DA, but, guess I'll just keep stuff on DA since it seems to be a bit better organized.
For myself, I have decided to accept a recent offer to have my vore artwork in its own pay site. I don't really do furries as a general rule. Their are pros and cons to the pay site idea.
Cons: Means a lot of my artwork will be locked away from those unable to pay for it. Although I will always maintain my own open gallery, and will update that with a percentage of the pay stuff.
Pros: If I get paid to do the art, it will encourage me to create more of it, and to spend the time necessary to do quality work.
The advantage of places like DA and Sheezy is that they open up our artwork to audiences that might not otherwise see it.
I could be mistaken, but I think DA now has laxer rules than Sheezy concerning adult work, because DA haven't banned bare breasts last I checked...
why do people always attack others when they try to fix things? i'm sorry but SA has the right to this and i hope they pull through with it. Tasteless art needs to be removed. Cause if you're posting tasteless art just to have porn on your page then you aren't submitting art you're submitting garbage and i quite personaly would like to load up SA without seeing some crude drawing of someone boffing someone else. IT'S NOT ART!! as far as i'm concerned all those with a problem with this update are those that were posting Garbage in the first place and if you need help "packing your bags and heading out" please call me and i'll be sure to give you the boot! Leave SA to do what they must to get rid of senseless garbage.
art: n. 1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
2.
1. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
2. The study of these activities.
3. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
4. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
5. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
6.
1. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
2. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
7.
1. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
2. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: “Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice” (Joyce Carol Oates).
8.
1. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
2. Artful contrivance; cunning.
9. Printing. Illustrative material.
now after that i do know the definition of art. Good art is something that once you look at it you feel for it. Your heart is warmed or your eyes water depending upon the effect. now i will admit that some of your stuff is very well done. But i'm sorry i just have problems with folks getting all pissy because now they can't post sex scenes. I don't see alot of Da Vinci, Van Gogh, Monet, Michelangelo, or any others boasting sex scenes in their work and correct me if i'm wrong but those i mentioned they did produced Art correct?
then you, yourself have no idea what art is and therefore your input isn't all that necessary and that is all i have to say on the matter and before this amounts into a pissing contest i shall leave it at that.
Actually Leonardo Da Vinci, did draw a picture in which a woman and a man were having sex (as in his organ was inside of the woman) and also drawn in a way that it was like seeing it through an x-ray.
I don't see alot of Da Vinci, Van Gogh, Monet, Michelangelo, or any others boasting sex scenes... next thing. IF Da Vinci did draw such a bit of work then i'm pretty sure, can't say i'm positive cause i can't find it online and have no memory of seeing it in Da Vinci's Museum, that it was drawn as a study of the human's musculature. It's intent i'm fairly certain wasn't to be used as pornography. Now to clear the air of something. SheezyArt is getting rid of what is pornographic they are not getting rid of what is tastefull adult art! I'm slowly beginning to realize that most of the people that are complaining the loudest are proally those who haven't read the entire statement and just stopped at "As of January 16th, 2005, Sheezy Art will not longer accept or display adult art." and then proceeded to bitch and moan. ARGH! i give up the majority of this community is infantile at best.
here you have it. It may be a study of a body, but still it is sex portrayed in detail. and a study of a dick aswell. Now to some this may not be a very tasteful picture and secondly the others .. i doubt it..
These artists lived in a different era, perhaps even if they had drawn such images, do you believe they could sell it anyplace? or even show it?.. They would likely be accused of being vulgar etc and be looked down upon.So even if at one time they made it they could destroy it, as it was for themselves that it was made, not for others.
And this image i did see when they had Da Vinci's pictures and work shown in the museum here, so clearly it's not a fake.
Whatever it was used for? Some could say it was used for his own little pleasures, and some that it wasn't.
And about the tasteful adult art, to some not even a woman in bikini's is a tasteful image, to others any act of love portrayed however is tastefull, so basically what's tastefull or not is in the eye of the beholder and with this it is subject to disagreements and such. What I wonder is, why did they go through the whole fuss of the age limits and what not, when they were intending on removing that altogether?...
Art is everything that you draw yourself and that also looks like something, be it naked breasts, an apple or a threesome.
Even photography is art, but that's another category.
So called modern art/ expressionism is not art, it's badly painted wall color.
i agree, EVERYTHING. And I mean ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is art. Even the specs of dust flying in the air, those microscopic bugs we cant even see. everything. I understand why sheezyart *and all other sites banning "adult materiel"* has to do it, it just pisses me off.
Art is an expression of the soul it has no form until someone gives it. There is no standard for it so those artist names are moot. So in my opinion you dont know the true meaning of art sigmaflare. Personally I dont see why people like art that is nothing but iron welded in a bunch of different placees. But it is art none the less, and I respect it for that. People who draw sex draw it becuase they see it as beutifull as an act of passion or primal lust, take your pic but none the less it is art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
He's got it folks. Art is in the eye of the beholder as much as beauty is.
Ever heard of a man name Whistler? He took it to court that art was too ambigous to be defined as just any one given item...drawings, sculpting, buildings, how life is created, photography, ieals, stories...literally any and EVERY thing can be art if you look at it RIGHT.
He won that case, by the way, which is kind of what lead into some of that really abstract 'can of soup' and 'large pencil' stuff. Just because your personal tastes don't go with it, does not make it any less then any other piece of art.
Less then a year ago, a user here by the name of Pink Fairy Lotus had taken pictures of a dildo sitting on a shelf, because of the way the lighting was occuring, the time of the day, the overall haziness and kind of surreal setting. People tried to tell her that it was shit, that she should be banned from DA for it, and that it was not art. Guess what? Those pictures remain up, becaue guess what? Even if you don't think it is, it's still ART!
I don't mind the removal of sex scenes so much, but I do mind that this sort of thing will cut out the artistic nudes. I draw a fair few of artistic nudes, mostly because I'm still trying to teach myself how to draw people properly, and you can only really see that on a subject which has all its body showing. Adding clothes just so I can post it on a website is sort of... silly.
I think I'm going to have to move to another art site... I like sheezy, but I want somewhere where I can put all my art together.
well from my understanding tasteless adult works will be cut out. So that leads me to believe that things such as a human nude study would remain but maybe they generalized too much. But i'm still reading that they are removing tasteless works of art.
~As of January 16th, 2005, Sheezy Art will not longer accept or display adult art. This does not include mature art,and does not include art that contains tasteful nudity.~
"art: n. 1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature."
Sex is natural. Squeamishness about sex, and restriction of it, is more unnatural than natural.
I do agree with you that a good proportion of the adult work posted on this site is pretty amateurish - but there is some *excellent* stuff which just happens to fall under the adult category because it includes a view of a naked human body, and yet more art which portrays sex acts which could easily be classed as 'beautiful' (providing you aren't of the Puritanical type who would relegate all sex to a shameful act for procreative purposes only, to be undertaken under cover of darkness...)
The human body is one of the most natural things there is, and an awful lot of art over the last several thousand years has been dedicated to the beauty of the human body, and in extension, the beauty of erotic acts. Sex *can* be art, and bad 'art' does not necessarily imply sexual content.
That said, I empathise with SA. Like the furore over age restrictions, it doesn't really matter what people think: what has to be done has to be done. They've done well to attract enough users to outgrow their current hosting, and I wish them the best for the future.
(Note: I'm not actually an artist myself - merely the boyfriend of one - but I've been closely following events on this site, mostly by virtue of reading over his shoulder ~.^)
yes sex can be art if done tastefully and a majority of what i have seen was not tasteful. what makes me angry the most is how people are missing the last sentence. They say they are not removing pieces with tasteful nudity. Granted still some of the well done sex scenes are proally going to bite the dust but that is something that little kids shouldn't really see (until the parents deem it the proper time) and Sheezy Art is trying to appeal to a broader range of artists to expand their site more.
~As of January 16th, 2005, Sheezy Art will not longer accept or display adult art. This does not include mature art, and does not include art that contains tasteful nudity.~
Oh. So I'm a fucking asshole because I don't run around getting laid by everyone I see. Look at me, I'm unnatural because I'm 18 and don't have three kids yet!
The "Da Vinci Code" an' "Angels and Demons" are some great books. The Da Vinci Code really redifines how you look at some of the great artists.... they pissed all over the Roman-Catholic church with their artwork, even though the church was the one commishioning them. Many of their pieces were considered trashy and raunchy by the times.
heheheh he's the guy who invented the Xenomorphs from the Alien films he draws all weird twisted people in mad sexual situation. if he do a search online for him you'll find something by him for sure =p
damn accidentally pressed submit before I was ready [this keyboard sucks]
I don't think I'm familiar with Giger but he sounds intersting [he? she?] do you have a link? ;D
"Good art is something that once you look at it you feel for it."
So....what you're saying it...if YOU don't feel it, it isn't art. That people can't have DIFFERENT opinions about what is art and what isn't. You have no clue what you're talking about. Picasso, AN ARTIST *points* has done MANY pictures depicting sex. AS WELL as Georgia O'Keefe, and thousands of other painters, sculptors, etc, throughout the centuries...ALL of them have depicted visions of sex and sexuality. You give me 20 mins and I will link you to some graphic classic art.
We all have different things we like and enjoy. Just because I like things you don't doesn't mean they aren't art. You can like and dislike things for what they are, but don't you DARE tell me or anyone in this community what REAL art is. Because you clearly don't get that it's ALL JUST AN OPINION. Now get your tush to an art history class before you try to whip out plebian junk like this again.
Wow! For once an educated response to "not art" views. That was just great, you summed up what I would have said and could not. Very well done.
Uh, to remain on-topic, I don't agree with the new policy after reading a few pasted and posted private discussions with the admins over new policies, yet I don't post my adult works here, just some nudes. The policies may not effect me with -my- work, but I will miss seeing some of the more interesting works this site had previously to display. I'll miss being able to directly interact with the artists through here and miss knowing how much freedom this place previously granted that made it so unique. 2005 isn't yielding very promising results for the more open-minded artists on this domain...
I agree with you, Webvirus. Friends of mine and watchers of mine have posted adult works, and while I do not really draw or look at adult works, it was nice to know the freedom was there for other people who did.
The only thing I must ask; why didn't the SA administration read the contract more thoroughly and stick to it? No adult work at first go would have gathered a lot more support than no adult work post-start.
And for the record, every piece of every object is art. Someone had to design it and someone had to make it. Creation is thusly a part of art, and by that logic, procreation is a form as well.
*nods* Agreed in full. And I'm afraid that "Well the owners have recently grown more aware of what we do" is not acceptable. Just because someone wasn't aware of what their users was doing, doesn't make it okay for them to try and slip past with "Let's promise this on our server until the owners notice." None of this sounds very honest to me, and it definately sounds fishy. There's something else going on that they're not fessing up to...
I still can't decide wether or not I really want to delete this account. But they've been real assholes to those that've said "I'm leaving then". They could've not responded to it, but they had to be jerks and say the polite equivalent of "I couldn't give a SHIT if you leave! HAHAHA!!"
I know what you mean tho.. I don't like what comes of a woman making a picture with a paintbrush strapped to her vagina but that doesn't stop IT from being art.. O__O
What I may call 'art', may not be art to you. The dripping heart on my hand I call art, it's my personal sign, you may call it a doodle or a way to get ink poisoning. My unfinished polished nails may not be considered art to you, but some art elitist may call it a walking masterpeace. A badger fucking a mokey may be art to one, but crude and distasteful to another.
On one side of the coin, you have the moralistic radicals, on the other you have the open-minded elitists. The problem is, is that since they are so caught up in what they think is art or what isn't art, they don't bother to see it from the other's point of view. Before you go trash talking another view of artistry, I would reccomend you keep your idea's to yourself.
That said, I must say that the only thing I'm upset about Sheezy is that they've flip-flopped. They decide to bring Adult Art to the site and try to be uncritical, but then decide that, because this is the only option (which, I'm sure, isn't the only,) they take away the art and become tight-asses like DeviantART. :) I really must commend you all on your hipocracy. I was under the impression that Sheezy was created for artists who were tired of deviantart deleting all of their art just because the mods didn't like the showing of a penis (and other things that I'm too off in my other world to notice).
Also, I might comment, that I was under the strict impression that Sheezy wouldn't become DA where artists who could afford (or who are allowed) to get subscriptions were better than everyone else. It seems as though you've gone back on your word with this as well, and not subscribers will get better things. Will there be any end to this torment for the kids with no money or parents who think the internet is evil and will, eventually, suck up their money from credit card fraud?
Technically, a lot of Renaissance artists did depict either sexuality in their artwork or nudes in their work. I mean, just think about the statue David for one example.
Actually, the definition of what constitues art is subjective within the "Sphere of Taste". However, there are many artists here on SA who, while definitely drawing what is rightfully considered pornography, have a masterful command of the human form- an art in itself, as evidenced by the fact that many art students are required to take anatomy courses, and the classical works of course.
It's also a reality, whether or not you choose to accept it, that pornography can itself be art. Sex is part of the human experience, rich to all of the senses, and depictions of it are evocative in the "make you feel for it" way to many people. And that's on a more than carnal level- sex is inextricably emotional to many, regardless of how graphically it's depicted.
It's not so much not being able to post 'Garbage' it's that before this there was a level of freedom, you didn't have to worry about pooring over your work with a fine toothed comb to decide whether it's suitable for your next door neighbors kid. I'm sure this site will encourage a lot more growing young artists over it's days but for a a lot of here people it's... hard to say, it's like all the windows have been closed and you have people telling you sex is not ok, tastefully drawn or not it has no place anywhere except seedy little corners of the internet
sheezy art has said they are not getting rid of tastefully done work. and i'm sorry if you have to 'poor over your work with a fine toothed comb.' but the thing is if you didn't(haven't been to your art page yet so i'm not sure just generalizing here) draw smut and admit it some of the stuff posted, granted not all, but some of it is just smut and if they didn't draw smut then they won't be targeted. The Nude body can be ok for your next door neighbor's kid if it is done tastefully take the statue David for example done tastefully and fit to show to your neighbor's kid. *sigh* i give up
Why does nudity and sex have to be 'tasteful' to be considered art?
As much as you hate the piece it IS art. You need to stop being so close-minded about this.
If you don't like it, don't look at it. Don't tell others they are disgusting and they aren't drawing art just because *gasp* it has people fucking in it.
"You don't think everything someone makes it art -- thus you are closed-minded."
Not everything is art. A repulsive pile of humans involved in coitus rendered on a canvas isn't necessarily art. Especially not if it was intended to get attention and undue praise for simply being another piece of porno.
Which is what a lot of the stuff people are so up in arms about here were.
I don't think it should be discounted as art. Even arousing or disgusting imagery can be counted as art.
If you're creating it for the sole purpose of getting attention then yeah, it's pretty stupid. But I don't think many people want to spend their time making images that they just want attention for.
I certainly would not spend a few hours drawing porno just for other people's amusement.
If there are people who do that then..that's just their issue.
But I'd say a good chunk spend time and effot on these drawings and as much as YOU hate them..the creator and the people who view these images do count them as art.
Don't discount someone just because it's porn. I feel that anything someone uses their time, effort and soul to make can be considered art..Porno or not.
Plenty of people on art communities like this draw things just so they get attention, pageviews and praise.
That's why a lot of them get really riled up and pissed off if you make any kind of neutral or negative comment on anything they do, even if it's artistic critique. If they were really doing it for the sake of art, don't you think they'd be a little more accepting of another artists' advice?
Well then, you should be talking about the PEOPLE doing this, rather than lumping all the art in there.
I totally agree with you, people like that are horrible and it's one of the reasons the furry community has such a bad rap with many people on the internet.
The fact that they get so angry and flaming is why places like SomethingAwful ridicule them and hate them so...
It's a little unfair for those who aren't this way.
But it's a little unfair to be grouping everyone together like SomethingAwful does.
Well, the way I see it, everyone whose throwing a hissy fit tantrum over the admins having to follow a few basic rules from their server host to keep this place going at ALL can be tossed into the dumpster with their culture-less smut.
I have nothing against porn. But I do have a problem with pretentious pseudoartists who can't draw anything BUT porn and then think it makes them sophisticated. The human body is beatiful... but cumshots and zooms on sloppy genitalia isn't artistic at all.
And as for furries, I dislike the fandom, myself. I dislike the fact that a large part of it involves people trying to escape reality entirely. I dislike the fact that a large part of it DOES involve people fantasizing and exhibiting pornography that is just this side of bestiality. It's just wrong.
I don't agree with SA's methods. They are a bit pigheaded. I have friends who draw furry art. I respect them, so long as they don't limit themselves to nothing but furry art of all the same sort. I respect them as artists, but I don't necessarily agree with the subjects they choose.
And any individuals who are part of a group will be singled out if that group is the subject of any kind of attack. That's how it works. Especially when said group has exhibitions of particularly... tasteless material on a regular basis.
I agree with you for sure...the artists who draw nothing but horrible porn are pretty stupid...I mean, even known porn artists tend to draw normal images too..
The majority of the furry community is quite guilty of this and acting very immature when anything happens...
But still, attacking absolutely every furry ever isn't fair. Not saying you're doing that, just saying.
The thing about this adult picture removal is that the mods stated that their host said take it off. But the problem is they give no real explanation of it. They said that yes, they have a contract with the host and they get it cheap..but they have to have the adult images removed.
But any time anyone tries to ask for slightly more information, like who the host is, how much it's costing..they just say "we will not discuss our business with anyone." That's certainly fair of them to say of course, however it seems like a copout.
I don't see the problem of saying how much the hosting is costing them, that's not enough information for anyone to try and sabotage them.
I think the problem is that they are probably not getting it as cheap as they say they are and there are other hosts out there...
It could just be as simple as the mods wanting the images gone. Then again, if they wanted them gone, what would be the problem of just saying that?
Something stinks here and quite a few have picked up on it.
The artists just whining for the sake of whining obviously should be ignored..but the ones who are trying to make sense of this shouldn't.
The way the mods are responding to this is very negative and rather hurtful at times. I know that the mods are human, but they have a certain responsibility. It's pretty unfair that they attack people back.
While places like Deviantart are rather strict and impersonal, they at least don't resort to attacking their users.
Oh well. I suppose that nobody is twisting my arm to stay here, it's just sad that such a nice place turned sour so quickly.
I believe the reason they don't discuss their host information is to avoid having angry SA users flooding the host with flame emails and angry complaints... which is actually a very realistic possibility, if that information were to be given out.
I'd do the same thing regarding the release of that info, if I were running this kind of thing. I certainly wouldn't want to be held liable for my users flaming my host for their policies on certain types of images.
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