OH GEEZ YOU are marvelous.
I'm sorta-kinda-almost rereading the comic on the site (mainly the commentary on the bottom of the pages which amuses me quite much ) and finding that I think a part of the reason I'm liking it so much
is because I don't get it.
Generally I don't like dark, or bloody materal, but the story as a whole is a draw that keeps me reading even through the bits I don't like. I'd describe the feeling as OH GEEZ I HATE WHAT'S HAPPENING OH man what happens next? *next page*. There are lessons in different parts of the thing that I've never noticed before, or forgot I've ever seen in it over time. I don't know if my realization is new or me having just forgotten or if it's from me knowing the characters and situations a bit more this time around, but it's a nice experience to see these messages for me.
And I keep reading and looking and thinking. And thinking. And I find myself with no real solutions to whatever problems my mind is puzzling over, and whenever I think I do, things are usually different than they seem. It's like playing a videogame, but not. I don't know, maybe there's something in my water and I'm losing it, but rereading was certainly worth the time, and I'm on 128, jumping around, starting and stopping at different spots. I'm tempted to make time to dig through and start back from the start, then go back and read the stories in the section.
And classes are coming up soon, so I'm not sure how much of that I will get done, but I've got some hours to spare.
Aaaand I think I've just noticed on http://hekshano.com/comic25.php the commentary abrupty jumps from something about Soshi and Koji (from the orignal page's comments?) to that talking about how the original page was sold right at "point kojihe original"
1> I saw another commentary thingy where it repeats on .
2> I'd like to discuss the comic becasue I'm an idiot, and there's no way I'd be able to grasp everything- or probably even most of it- on my own I think. You can cal me stupid for getting it all wrong if you like, but I'm trying to understand it better.
Okay, I think I understand so far that basically Soshi hated humans because they used Rulerism as their major face for Earth, and the massacres that took her parents that happened because of miscommunations amoung parties. At least, I think this from taking the bit from the rulerism page and applying it to what I know of Soshika's racism that I read from somewhere on one of the pages that I don't think was actually in the comic. Probably the commentary or something similar. Is it intended for the reader to come to that conclusion on their own rather than have it spelled out?
Yes, I'm one of those people who completely missed that and assumed that OH THIS IS THE FIRST CHARACTER SHE MUST BE RIGHT AND TRUTHFUL THE OTHER GUYS ARE THE BAD GUYS at first until I read around a bit more. This is part of why I was puzzled a long while ago when someone was basically proven an idiot by quizzing them on the point: Who are the bad guys of Inhuman?
Really, a lot of the later parts of the comic become puzzling if you think of rulerists and OH GEEZ EVIL BAD PEOPLE, but once one breaks from Soshika's initial tinted view (regardless of if she still has it now. I'm not entirely sure it's gone, despite improvements), it becomes easier to understand that really most of the parties introduced so far that are fighting, are fighting because
1> They think they're right
2> They want change, or
3> They want revenge.
At the moment, I can't think of any other reasons they may have. If they're fighting for what they think is justice, then it's "they think they're right." Trying to do good? They think they're right. They see bloodshed and think it should end and fight to get that end, they think they're right.
But the major point of when Soshika brings up her fighting for revenge, I believe, is simply that neither side is "GOOD AND BAD", they're all after different things.
From what I understand, it seems like rulerist militia supported getting robotic troops to replace real flesh and blood creatures of their own from getting butchered out in battles, and got more people who were twisted and broken and rebroken to make them into WONDERFUL weapons for the battles... that were still as alive as anyone else, oops. HEY NAITEC YOU SCREWED UP we're withdrawing your money and cleaning this mess up.
And then oops, misscommunication (possibly. It could have been a lot of other things), and a lot of people wind up dead for it.
Some people get angry for losses/injustices and rebel. Some people just keep doing what they can. Some people just can't take it and give up on living. Most of the people involved are shaken.
There's probably a lot more to this that I'm not catching at all, or I might be thinking of the details of it and completely missing the overarching meaning, but I think that there is one there. Is it already in the comic, or is that what we are being led to?
Now this part might simply show my age and/or my experience, but http://hekshano.com/comic68.php puzzles me.
The first time I read it, I was basically left with a WTF JUST HAPPENED feeling quite a while ago. I still remembered this page for how different and sudden it seemed to me. When I came back to it for this reread, keeping the commentary in mind (I'm not sure if I read it first this time), I see now that the format for this particular page is to make the play/show aspect a lot more clear. And does a good job of it if you ask me- I probably just wasn't thinking to much as I read the first time through, or I may have just learned a lot more over time- but I've never been involved in a relationship like that that I'm aware of, and the page leaves me unsure of the meaning. Are you trying to say that all relationships are fake, or is there a particular kind of relationship that's fake that's just implied that I'm not picking up on? I can't say that any of the relationships I care about are made just for show. Heck, I don't even know that many people- there's noone to be showing off for. I care for my niece, though she annoys the hell out of me and more than just a few times I've wanted to smack her around, but I don't think I keep watching over her and not just get rid of her because I'm showing off for anyone. And I'm pretty dang sure I don't confide in friends just to make a show of confiding.
Of course, I have a tendancy to be a bad judge of myself. Emotionally, and physically.
I do think that Juu's death = Bad things can happen to good people. It doesn't imply that it absolutely will, and it neither means that someone who devotes their lives to helping people out could eat a pack of poisoned peppers and necessarily live. Bad things happen to all people, and if they didn't... then hell, there wouldn't be any 'good' or 'bad' people in the first place.
I realize this isn't much speculation on future happenings. I'm quite simply not good at that sort of thing and haven't ever really cared for doing it. However, I keep thinking that Grey isn't going to stay alive for the entire comic. That's just a feeling I'm getting, and since I don't have any logic at all to back that up, it's a throw away I wouldn't even bet $10 on.
... I could eat a nice amount for $10. I might bet $1, though.
Am I at all on track with any of this, or am I way off somewhere in the field far far away, or am I missing anything that's key to grasping ANYTHING AT ALL and so I missed everything because of that key? I'm curious now.
ChickenTeeth Says:
GLEE
8D
jambii Says:
saweeeeet
Travisuped Says:
OH GEEZ YOU are marvelous.
I'm sorta-kinda-almost rereading the comic on the site (mainly the commentary on the bottom of the pages which amuses me quite much ) and finding that I think a part of the reason I'm liking it so much
is because I don't get it.
Generally I don't like dark, or bloody materal, but the story as a whole is a draw that keeps me reading even through the bits I don't like. I'd describe the feeling as OH GEEZ I HATE WHAT'S HAPPENING OH man what happens next? *next page*. There are lessons in different parts of the thing that I've never noticed before, or forgot I've ever seen in it over time. I don't know if my realization is new or me having just forgotten or if it's from me knowing the characters and situations a bit more this time around, but it's a nice experience to see these messages for me.
And I keep reading and looking and thinking. And thinking. And I find myself with no real solutions to whatever problems my mind is puzzling over, and whenever I think I do, things are usually different than they seem. It's like playing a videogame, but not. I don't know, maybe there's something in my water and I'm losing it, but rereading was certainly worth the time, and I'm on 128, jumping around, starting and stopping at different spots. I'm tempted to make time to dig through and start back from the start, then go back and read the stories in the section.
And classes are coming up soon, so I'm not sure how much of that I will get done, but I've got some hours to spare.
Travisuped Says:
Aaaand I think I've just noticed on http://hekshano.com/comic25.php the commentary abrupty jumps from something about Soshi and Koji (from the orignal page's comments?) to that talking about how the original page was sold right at "point kojihe original"
Travisuped Says:
1> I saw another commentary thingy where it repeats on .
I'm curious now.
2> I'd like to discuss the comic becasue I'm an idiot, and there's no way I'd be able to grasp everything- or probably even most of it- on my own I think. You can cal me stupid for getting it all wrong if you like, but I'm trying to understand it better.
Okay, I think I understand so far that basically Soshi hated humans because they used Rulerism as their major face for Earth, and the massacres that took her parents that happened because of miscommunations amoung parties. At least, I think this from taking the bit from the rulerism page and applying it to what I know of Soshika's racism that I read from somewhere on one of the pages that I don't think was actually in the comic. Probably the commentary or something similar. Is it intended for the reader to come to that conclusion on their own rather than have it spelled out?
Yes, I'm one of those people who completely missed that and assumed that OH THIS IS THE FIRST CHARACTER SHE MUST BE RIGHT AND TRUTHFUL THE OTHER GUYS ARE THE BAD GUYS at first until I read around a bit more. This is part of why I was puzzled a long while ago when someone was basically proven an idiot by quizzing them on the point: Who are the bad guys of Inhuman?
Really, a lot of the later parts of the comic become puzzling if you think of rulerists and OH GEEZ EVIL BAD PEOPLE, but once one breaks from Soshika's initial tinted view (regardless of if she still has it now. I'm not entirely sure it's gone, despite improvements), it becomes easier to understand that really most of the parties introduced so far that are fighting, are fighting because
1> They think they're right
2> They want change, or
3> They want revenge.
At the moment, I can't think of any other reasons they may have. If they're fighting for what they think is justice, then it's "they think they're right." Trying to do good? They think they're right. They see bloodshed and think it should end and fight to get that end, they think they're right.
But the major point of when Soshika brings up her fighting for revenge, I believe, is simply that neither side is "GOOD AND BAD", they're all after different things.
From what I understand, it seems like rulerist militia supported getting robotic troops to replace real flesh and blood creatures of their own from getting butchered out in battles, and got more people who were twisted and broken and rebroken to make them into WONDERFUL weapons for the battles... that were still as alive as anyone else, oops. HEY NAITEC YOU SCREWED UP we're withdrawing your money and cleaning this mess up.
And then oops, misscommunication (possibly. It could have been a lot of other things), and a lot of people wind up dead for it.
Some people get angry for losses/injustices and rebel. Some people just keep doing what they can. Some people just can't take it and give up on living. Most of the people involved are shaken.
There's probably a lot more to this that I'm not catching at all, or I might be thinking of the details of it and completely missing the overarching meaning, but I think that there is one there. Is it already in the comic, or is that what we are being led to?
Now this part might simply show my age and/or my experience, but http://hekshano.com/comic68.php puzzles me.
The first time I read it, I was basically left with a WTF JUST HAPPENED feeling quite a while ago. I still remembered this page for how different and sudden it seemed to me. When I came back to it for this reread, keeping the commentary in mind (I'm not sure if I read it first this time), I see now that the format for this particular page is to make the play/show aspect a lot more clear. And does a good job of it if you ask me- I probably just wasn't thinking to much as I read the first time through, or I may have just learned a lot more over time- but I've never been involved in a relationship like that that I'm aware of, and the page leaves me unsure of the meaning. Are you trying to say that all relationships are fake, or is there a particular kind of relationship that's fake that's just implied that I'm not picking up on? I can't say that any of the relationships I care about are made just for show. Heck, I don't even know that many people- there's noone to be showing off for. I care for my niece, though she annoys the hell out of me and more than just a few times I've wanted to smack her around, but I don't think I keep watching over her and not just get rid of her because I'm showing off for anyone. And I'm pretty dang sure I don't confide in friends just to make a show of confiding.
Of course, I have a tendancy to be a bad judge of myself. Emotionally, and physically.
I do think that Juu's death = Bad things can happen to good people. It doesn't imply that it absolutely will, and it neither means that someone who devotes their lives to helping people out could eat a pack of poisoned peppers and necessarily live. Bad things happen to all people, and if they didn't... then hell, there wouldn't be any 'good' or 'bad' people in the first place.
I realize this isn't much speculation on future happenings. I'm quite simply not good at that sort of thing and haven't ever really cared for doing it. However, I keep thinking that Grey isn't going to stay alive for the entire comic. That's just a feeling I'm getting, and since I don't have any logic at all to back that up, it's a throw away I wouldn't even bet $10 on.
... I could eat a nice amount for $10. I might bet $1, though.
Am I at all on track with any of this, or am I way off somewhere in the field far far away, or am I missing anything that's key to grasping ANYTHING AT ALL and so I missed everything because of that key?