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HelenTrevillion: Encouragement.

  HelenTrevillion: Encouragement.
Posted
Jan 5th 2007
Mood
Sad
Music
none.
Hmm so I was just reading some threads in the SA forum about the new rating system, and people not liking it.

And some of the responses kind of shocked me. Things to the effect of, "Well if somebody's art sucks then that's their problem and they should be told that it sucks."

Hmmmmmmm. See, personally I think this attitude completely fails to see the point of art. It's not supposed to be a competition. It's supposed to be a means of expression. People who put pieces of themselves into their art! That means that they probably will find it very very difficult not to take things personally when people are rude about their work.

This isn't directed at the rating system by the way (I realise the "yes/no" thing is for the front page system, though I'm not too keen on the "pleasing/displeasing" thing - seems pointless and harsh - but hey) but at the general spirit of such a system.

It seems to me that the whole concept of "rating" art is a little bit meaningless. It's not a production line. It's not just some industry where people churn out stuff for the pleasure of others. That's not what art is about.

Talent is something that grows with time and patience and positive encouragement.

OK, so some people do actually thrive on harsh criticism - out of spite, I suppose, more than anything, or some kind of rebellious "I'll show them!" streak - which is great if you have it but most people just get discouraged when people make very negative comments. Constructive criticism isn't tearing something to pieces and saying, "OK... well this is rubbish. Here is a huge list of everything that is wrong with it!" Most people will feel totally crushed and useless after a few of those.

I mean... when I listen to my first attempts at singing I cringe and cringe and I think, "Oh my GOD I sounded so bad!!!" (and I did sound very very embarrassingly bad!!) but at the time people were encouraging, and while they did make the necessary suggestions they did so in a helpful and positive and kind and sensitive manner, recognising my efforts and my desire to improve and that made me feel that there was some point in pursuing it further and practising and practising.

I honestly don't know if I would have continued my attempts to sing on my tracks if people had not been so sensitive, if people had straight-out compared me in their minds to professionals and said, "Ummmm ok you suck." I think first of all I would've cried. And then I would've got more and more insecure to the point that I couldn't bear to do it anymore.

And I know I am probably too sensitive a person but I'm not alone in this, I think it's quite common among artists because of the way we interact with the world and our imaginations.

So I think it's really important that we support each other and stop comparing work to the "best" stuff and looking at each individual piece of work as exactly that... an individual piece of work that somebody has put a lot of time and energy into and done their best on (unless, of course, they haven't, and that would probably be quite obvious from their attitude!). And it's VERY important to remember that talents are like little seeds that DO grow, for certain, and they always always need watering!! I just find it really sad that people can forget so easily what art is mentally turn it into something meaningless, goods to be marketed and rated without really understanding or even trying to understanding that it's connected to a human being and their imagination.
 

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Fox Amoore Says:

Personally, I don't mind the YES NO System. What I DON'T Like, is people voting NO and not having the guts to say why, which means maybe the system should force a reason as to WHY you choose which ever vote. *shrugs* At the end of the day, Art and Music is a thing of soul, feeling and a natural ability to have courage. When it turns into a competition, those things are lost. Jealosy, hatred, anger, vengence is what comes after... True art, is lost.

Lord Welshi Says:

Hear hear! Quite right!

StarGazerAngel Says:

The front-page rating systems are always critisized and the issue's a bit...touchy. The Yes/No system was implemented because the abuse on the old Masterpiece system. On that system, there was only a Yes button, essentially, and people were Masterpiecing art that was not only sub-par in the eyes of many, but had no effort put into it. They were mostly fanart scribblings that no one had really put effort into. So, many people were upset that the art they had worked hours on was getting no recognition because of 5-minutes-fanart-sketches and the like. So, the Yes/No system was implemented so that while people could still Yes those pieces, the rest could No them and let more effort-driven pieces up.

Personally, I'd like to find a way for the frontpage just to be cycled randomness. I realize the frontpage is meant to highlight good art, but...that's all in one's perspective, isn't it? And no one seems to be happy with the systems as they are. So, no one can complain with a system that is random, both the good and bad art. I suppose you could call it "equal opportunity". And each piece would have the same amount of time, so that no one can complain about their pieces getting a limited amount of time while others get more.

Of course, no one's going to like that, because it'll make the frontpage look "bad". >.>

Winged Sence Says:

Encouragement's good, but blind encouragement isn't very helpful. I find Sheezyart did in fact help me in that, I found other artists(Most of the time far more skilled than I) whom would speak with me and give me tips and suggestions.
Sadly people on this site seem to be to lazy to do such on this site. which is an understandable shame.
Personaly I'm always kind when I critique someone's work. The only time I believe i've ever been harsh was when someone diliberately said "I don't need critiques to improve" Which is comeplete bull.
I know my work, personally, was at a standstill being in I didn't have artistic friends who wished to help me or cared to, and I had no one to tell me what I was doing wrong.
I had plenty of positive encouragement but I found such was only helping me continue, not improve.
When I finally did make some more artistically skilled people I found my abilities improved greatly.

Positive encouragement is indeed valuable but critisism more so.
But I agree on the displeasing Pleasing point.
Displeasing is discouraging because
A) it doesn't say why it's pleasing
B) It doesn't say what's being done wrong
C) it doesn't say what can be done to make it better.
And the pleasing point is just as bad for the same points, doesn't why it's good how or what was done to make it good.

Positive encouragement and critisism, a good balance of both is needed to help refine an artist.

Donut Says:

couldnt have said it better myself but i'd also have to agree with Winged Sence too

Kyoumi Says:

Yeah, I agree. I can understand if someone doesn't like a certain type of art/music, style though, and weren't very excited about it, but they don't have to flat out say it sucks...

2key Says:

I think constructive criticism is a good thing. Telling someone he's "shit" or "that's weak, man"...that's nothing. I wouldn't even bother reading that crap.
If someone tells me, man, this snare is totally crap in that song, put something softer, or something like that, I'd be like: hm, maybe he's right. That snare does sound out of place.
Art is a matter of taste. Taste is a matter of opinion.
Too much of the good is bad, and one should never get overconfident, and if something is just bad, I'd like to know it, if it was my stuff.
Never checked it, but I believe I've got TONS of 'no's...I don't really care. If I like it, I'll post it, and if you don't like it, tell me how to make it better, otherwise go away... :)

LadyEdana Says:

I agree with you, but also with Fox Amoore. I think if they are going to vote they should be required to give an explanation. You can set it up that way on ArtWanted.

Minstrel Ayreon Says:

Hm...I'm not opposed to the Yes-No system. The thing that I do NOT like is allowing people to see the results. There should be no place to see numbers on your pieces or anyone else's, whether logged in or not, nor should there be something that tells you if your work is "pleasing" or "displeasing" or not. If those changes were implemented, I would be completely satisfied with it as a system for screening what belongs on the front page because a) it couldn't be gamed as easily and b) if you did get rated as not front-page-worthy, you'd never have to know about it.

I know you may or may not agree with me, but I DO believe there's a need for some form of screening on the front page. If poor art is continuously featured there where prospective new members are checking out the site, they won't be interested. Professionals and those aiming to be professionals won't want to set up shop here if they think they're going to be out-of-place or that the site will give them a poor image. However, I think with some proper precautions in place...keeping all the scores and ratings hidden...the system would do its job more effectively than anything we've had before.

I think offering balanced criticism is best. I do think it helps to have the weaknesses tactfully pointed out--but this should only be done after naming the piece's strengths. I don't think it does the artist any good to get nothing but negative; the positive, besides just being a confidence-booster, can also show a person where they don't need to spend their energy. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, basically.

Luimielw Says:

It's important to encourage someone, but sometimes you need someone to point you the mistakes of the artwork. As you said, I would be crushed by now if everyone compared me to an amazing artist.

I love when people praise me, but I feel much better when someone help me to improve and tell me what's wrong with my drawing C8