Here is my opinion on Homosexuality and other stuff in the course of nature and God's plan: Humans were made to feel emotional and physical love for the opposite sex for very important reasons - procreation being the most basic. I believe that homosexuality, although I have nothing against the people of this orientation, is morally wrong, BUT understandable. Living on this earth as long as I have, I have studied human behavior. Perhaps homosexuals and bisexuals are special because they realize that they, as human beings are able to love so strongly all people, even those of their own gender. But in this confusion of admiration, which is normal and healthy, they are led into believing that they are different, and "think" that they have sexual feelings for the identical gender. No one is born "gay". However, the sexual feelings may be developed if nurtured by these negative thoughts Satan gives us. It's the same as lust. Lust is sinful, masturbation is sinful, and homosexuality is sinful not because they ARE, but because of what they can LEAD TO, which can be almost certainly innevitable if not taken care of. Masturbation isn't as horrible as a lot of religious people SAY it is, but it should be kept within couples, and shouldn't be discussed with others openly, and probably shouldn't be encouraged unto anyone. I'll admit, I myself have been masturbating for a year. I never meant to. It happened in a very innocent way. I have tried to stop, but it's been proven difficult. I am very ashamed, and very few people feel the way I do, but you're not alone. The point is, don't just do it because other people do, and don't be so hard on yourself if you can't stop. *takes a deep breath* Okay, you can wring my skinny little neck now. *o.o*;

Oh, yes, I forgot to add something important. I believe that if God wasn't afraid that we'd go extinct from everyone being gay (there'd be no babies after some time!), that he truly would let us express our love that transcends beyond gender, which I think is beautiful. And since he already allows us to do so, although he doesn't encourage it, I guess it's only the beauty of example in this life of trial and error.

Whats masturbation?:wannabeinnocent:

[quote]Whats masturbation?:wannabeinnocent:[/quote] Seriously? You don't know? Or are you just trying to make me explain it for your entertainment? ^^; I will tell you...but only if you're serious.

nah its koo, i was tottaly joking

[quote]nah its koo, i was tottaly joking[/quote] Mmmmm kay. o.o;

A species will never be fully homosexual. That's be stupid. So as long as the vast majority is heterosexual and can procreate to futher the species, having a minority be homosexual is irrelivant. The species will still survive. But I'm speaking from a scientific standpoint, not a religious one. Personally, I say let them do what they want. If there is a God, why would he punish someone for loving another? That's why I don't like Catholicism, not only is it hypocritical, it portrays their diety as a hateful punisher.

Now keep in mind that mankind are a species of animal plain and simple. Also keep in mind that most animals who rely on packs, herds, groups whatever are not always loners. When a young bull elephant is pushed away from his birth group what does he do? He joins a bachelor group where for the time being the young virile males find a need for one another. Which does include when the time is right a bit of dry humping on their male partners. Same for any animal. Females of the same will rub against other females when they are in heat just to relieve the stress that the need to breed brings. The only thing keeping them willing for a companion of the opposite gender is the fact that they must create a life for the sake of survival. Now come to Mankind, a species who have no need to dwell on their survival for they are the top of the food chain. A species who has the ability to understand these feelings for what they are, who can make more of it then just he simple need to breed life. It is not unnatural these feelings. You take away the true need to continue one's bloodline for the simple sake of survival and sex means nothing more then a high that feels damn good. In this day and age more and more man/woman couples are choosing to marry without ever having children, is that not the same thing as a gay couple living with one another? When it comes to the true reason why sex is needed then yes they are.

[quote]A species will never be fully homosexual. That's be stupid. So as long as the vast majority is heterosexual and can procreate to futher the species, having a minority be homosexual is irrelivant. The species will still survive. But I'm speaking from a scientific standpoint, not a religious one. Personally, I say let them do what they want. If there is a God, why would he punish someone for loving another? That's why I don't like Catholicism, not only is it hypocritical, it portrays their diety as a hateful punisher.[/quote] I kinda agree with you on that. Personally, I don't believe people "go to hell" just for "being gay" and loving someone. It's more complex than that.

[quote]Now keep in mind that mankind are a species of animal plain and simple. [quote] Excuse me, but humans are NOT animals. They are God's children.

[quote][quote]Now keep in mind that mankind are a species of animal plain and simple. [quote] Excuse me, but humans are NOT animals. They are God's children. [/quote] Prove it!

Without the use of any religious text. Prove how we are not animals with a higher intelligence. (in some ways not all)

[quote]Without the use of any religious text. Prove how we are not animals with a higher intelligence. (in some ways not all)[/quote] Do you even know what an animal is? Let's look at what separates humans from animals: *animals can't think, reason or speak *animals do not know the difference between right and wrong *Being human is not being a "higher" animal because we already are higher creatures than animals -- we have dominion over them. If you want to be considered an animal, then be my guest, kid. o.O

[quote][quote]Without the use of any religious text. Prove how we are not animals with a higher intelligence. (in some ways not all)[/quote] Do you even know what an animal is? Let's look at what separates humans from animals: *animals can't think, reason or speak *animals do not know the difference between right and wrong *Being human is not being a "higher" animal because we already are higher creatures than animals -- we have dominion over them. If you want to be considered an animal, then be my guest, kid. o.O[/quote] you proved nothing more then we have a higher intelligence then other species is all.

[quote] you proved nothing more then we have a higher intelligence then other species is all. [/quote] That's because I don't have solid evidence. It's something you just have to ask yourself if you will believe. If you have a deep understanding of the big picture, then it only makes sense. Anything else is just religous...which in the end, rules out science. God created science, afterall. How do you explain the supernatural? Why can't your scientists come with anything on that?

[quote][quote] you proved nothing more then we have a higher intelligence then other species is all. [/quote] That's because I don't have solid evidence. It's something you just have to ask yourself if you will believe. If you have a deep understanding of the big picture, then it only makes sense. Anything else is just religous...which in the end, rules out science. God created science, afterall. How do you explain the supernatural? Why can't your scientists come with anything on that? [/quote] But they are beginning to understand the supernatural more. Science is far too involved with weapons and medicine to take the time to understand why entities haunt the places that brought them sorrow, or why there is life after death in general. They know that spirits are made up of energy, though nobody can question their reasons for sticking around. We can track spirits, we can record their voices because mankind has learned through science how to go about doing that. In the case of animals, one must remember that all creatures have their own intelligence in regards to their survival and habitat. Apes can use items to gather food and break things open when they cannot with their bare hands. They have the same thought procedure as we do, they just don't have it heightened to our extent. Elephants grieve for their dead, creating graveyards of their lost members that they continue to visit each year. And to say that one god created science, who's to say that it wasn't a man in a book who created your god? Using supernatural reasonings. Is there true proof of this rather then belief and superstition?

[quote]But they are beginning to understand the supernatural more. Science is far too involved with weapons and medicine to take the time to understand why entities haunt the places that brought them sorrow, or why there is life after death in general. They know that spirits are made up of energy, though nobody can question their reasons for sticking around. We can track spirits, we can record their voices because mankind has learned through science how to go about doing that. In the case of animals, one must remember that all creatures have their own intelligence in regards to their survival and habitat. Apes can use items to gather food and break things open when they cannot with their bare hands. They have the same thought procedure as we do, they just don't have it heightened to our extent. Elephants grieve for their dead, creating graveyards of their lost members that they continue to visit each year. And to say that one god created science, who's to say that it wasn't a man in a book who created your god? Using supernatural reasonings. Is there true proof of this rather then belief and superstition?[/quote] "A man in a book" may have possibly created God, but there's more proof that that isn't so. Animals do have their own intelligences, but don't you feel it deep down that it's just not right to call humans "animals"? I sure do. It's intuition. Something non-scientific. The very reason why people are scientific is because they are human. That curiousity that animals lack. But many evidences of spirits are mainly demonic. Demons are here to study people, mimic them, and thus fool people. It's complex. Sometimes spiritual encounters ARE authentic, but you have to be knkowledgable to know the difference.

[quote][quote]But they are beginning to understand the supernatural more. Science is far too involved with weapons and medicine to take the time to understand why entities haunt the places that brought them sorrow, or why there is life after death in general. They know that spirits are made up of energy, though nobody can question their reasons for sticking around. We can track spirits, we can record their voices because mankind has learned through science how to go about doing that. In the case of animals, one must remember that all creatures have their own intelligence in regards to their survival and habitat. Apes can use items to gather food and break things open when they cannot with their bare hands. They have the same thought procedure as we do, they just don't have it heightened to our extent. Elephants grieve for their dead, creating graveyards of their lost members that they continue to visit each year. And to say that one god created science, who's to say that it wasn't a man in a book who created your god? Using supernatural reasonings. Is there true proof of this rather then belief and superstition?[/quote] "A man in a book" may have possibly created God, but there's more proof that that isn't so. Animals do have their own intelligences, but don't you feel it deep down that it's just not right to call humans "animals"? I sure do. It's intuition. Something non-scientific. The very reason why people are scientific is because they are human. That curiousity that animals lack. But many evidences of spirits are mainly demonic. Demons are here to study people, mimic them, and thus fool people. It's complex. Sometimes spiritual encounters ARE authentic, but you have to be knkowledgable to know the difference. [/quote] demons are a religious creation, and there is no proof beyond superstition to back up the fact that spirits are maleovelent. Most are beneveolent actually. And if that were the case then is it not possible for a demon or a hoarde of demons to have made up the entire bible themselves? Also is it not possible for them to be heading the religion now in these more trying times? And no I don't feel it's wrong to call us something that we truly are. I have no lack of respect for animals, they are as we are. Living beings who feel pain, who can suffer, and who can feel happiness. Our higher intelligence is not a gift, it's more a curse. Intelligent creatures would not work for their own exctinction as we do. Instinct tells me to run from or fight danger, protect my family, eat and drink when needed. Instinct is a shared ability that we as a species have with any other. We are not gods, we are creatures on this earth. It's that simple. And for some reason my quote box is like half the size it should be? What in the heck?

[quote]Prove it![/quote] I can prove it actually Direwrath. Animals don't create art of any type yet humans do, why is this? And jsut because we're a higher form intellegence excuse won't work this time Dire! Reason being if it was merely jsut a form of Higher intellegence it would be illogical of us to even waist our time with art, music and poetry, and to spend on things for the survival of our human race.

[quote][quote]Prove it![/quote] I can prove it actually Direwrath. Animals don't create art of any type yet humans do, why is this? And jsut because we're a higher form intellegence excuse won't work this time Dire! Reason being if it was merely jsut a form of Higher intellegence it would be illogical of us to even waist our time with art, music and poetry, and to spend on things for the survival of our human race.[/quote] Actually Phil, they have no need to create art, with us on their tail and their extinction at hand what would that have to do with survival. We create art because we grow bored and have to entertain ourselves in ways that express our emotions. People also do this physically in either violent or non violent ways, and some people scream or cry. Again just as other creatures do. We bare the same organs, the same innate needs as they do. We also have the very same instincts that they do. Now why would a dog have a heart if they were lower then us? Would they not have different organs for survival because we are supposedly gods? As that would have to be the case if we were not a species of creature on this planet. Why is it that when we get disease we can die just the same as they do? And when we get cut, we bleed the same as they do? Mankind is so into themselves that they can't admit that they have something in common with those primal creatures, unless when it comest to using animal bodies to test medicine to save our own. Which would not work one bit if we were not animals ourselves.. Believe it or not, we have more in common with the other species on this planet then most wish to realize.